Very near the same, with small differences, lift on the 799 is punchy fast,
Thanks for this first review of 699!Foil wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 6:15 pmok 2 days to and fro from the 633 to the 699,
the 699 is confusing me as I thought the 699 would be a similar ride as the 633,
Rhosneigr Nth Wales the conditions have been perfect for the last 2 days, 7mtr most of the time to a maximum 9mtr, big waves the first 7mtr day, well very big for me on a foil, twice my height with some bigger sets pushing through, but after hi tide the water sort of flattened off a bit, same today but smaller 5ft waves, the 699 reminded me very much of the 679 the old 682, the 399 rear wing made the 699 a bit too unstable for me, much more stable with the 483 on the rear, but still unstable compared to the 633, this took away my confidence to drop down the waves at speed, so it was a good thing I only went in the waves near the shoulders just in case, as i was fearful of crashing down the wave face,
speed comes on smoothly, but the front wing was singing its head off, easy to fix but it proves it not always the rear wing,
some have said this may be a good learning wing, i would have to say i would not agree, the 799 is more gentle and forgiving and much more stable with good progressive lift, the 699 has fierce lift and needs quick reactions to stop it jumping clear of the water, i think some guys will have a great time trying different rear wings to get nearer the feel they prefer, for me though I am keeping my 633 wings. fun and fast in all conditions, no mods needed apart from getting them mounted on the Kraken masts 103 for the open sea with waves and 93 for the flatter water, massive difference!!
it would be great for another fast and strapped down rider to take the 699 out on the very stiff kraken mast, have it perfectly set up in the track box so level height and perfect foot ballance feel at normal medium cruise speed of say 15knts, 699 feeling smooth and eager (twitchy) then start bearing off wind and build the speed to maximum, as i did, very soon i was out of control, around 25 knts the front foot pressure just hit so hard and so fast it chucked me off, adding more emergency front foot pressure just made me go faster and increased the front foot pressure, argh splat!!Adventure Logs wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 12:35 amWell shit, my 633 setup is getting old and I was thinking about getting the 699. Maybe it's finally time to try a different brand. I need to find a foil demo after my shoulder heals. Thanks Foil for the review!
I agree with most of foil's assessment of the 799. Background: Advanced foiler, 90kg, mostly freestyle, have ridden most Moses freestyle oriented wings (633,679,790,718..). The 799 is a good replacement for the 633 (if there ever needs to be one). The downsides were already explained by foil, one being the rather aggressive lift. Another issue is the trim: I was really struggling to find the right trim for the 799 on the new Kraken 703 fuselage. Moved the mast forward and the back again, added a shim (not the ones that come with the foil, they are all shimming down, I needed about 1degree up to reduce lift) and eventually now got it balanced. This is on the 425 stabiliser.Foil wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 6:20 pmVery near the same, with small differences, lift on the 799 is punchy fast,
not quite as pleasing as the 633 with its predictable strong more linear power packed push up,
also the 633 wings ability to get flying in silly light airs is there for even the heavy riders, I also found the 799 had a slower top speed, maybe a little bit, but it felt slower, but no GPS to confirm, the 799 wins the "looks better and faster" stakes, shame I sold it before I got my Kraken masts, these masts have shown just how great the 633 can be when the Wing is held in place much more firmly, the kraken masts 103 and 93 transformed that wing set into a speed demon and fun extreme machine, total confidence booster as it feels so good when pushed hard, this might be the same for most wings especially the bigger ones that can be held back by a softer flexible mast like the 1 series, or the slower design of the 2 series.
Is the 799 a better wing for me than the 699, you bet it is! but would I grab the 799 first from the car instead of the 633? I might pause for a second but no, the 633 just beats it in a few important areas, the fun machine 633 edges it out. Just!
Maybe you or someone tried 800 with 483 stab, how is it? 483 stab should get a lot of lift usually, at least for 633.mirza23454 wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 4:05 pmI normally ride w800+s399. I had one 1-2 hr session last week on w633+s399 on a strapless pocket board (custom lp maverick s) and I thought it seemed good, but probably not enough experience to tell? It seemed to have less easy speed (unless I really worked the kite) and less glide than w800, but I think that’s to be expected. Stability and balance were good (didn’t notice any concerns) but with this board I always need some foot work and weight shifting to find the right balance. The w633 had superior (night and day) breach recovery vs the w800 (which crashes on any little breach). Going to ride it more over the next week.
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