Moses SABfoil

[eric_ts]

Short question is moses planning to get a 90cm mast instead or is 75cm the maximum they want to put on the market?

[grigorib]

...it seems as though the SS mast, fuselage & base plate are not identical to the Moses, but probably very close in weight?

Slingshot Hoverglide mast/plate/adapter is lighter by ~1-2 lbs depending if you use stock or custom plate
2726 gram of Moses 75 cm mast + pedestal
2378 gram 28" Hoerglide mast + stock baseplate + Stringy's adapter (75 cm total length)

...Is the current Slingshot mast the same as the longstanding Hoverglide mast?

Hoverglide is made by Slingshot. You can find 15/24/28/35.4" (and old ones in 15/24/30/36") length

The Hoverglide was criticized for being very heavy, but this was due partly to the weight of the actual wings?

everything is heavy on the hoverglide. Custom baseplate is lighter by a pound, fuselage is a brick and wings are pretty heavy too.

I am asking if the original Hoverglide wing & stabilizer were very heavy, aside from the rest of the foil ...

yes

if the mast/plate/fuselage on the current SS foil that works with the Moses wings are the same as the Hoverglide?

No. Current Ghost Whisper setup is made by Moses and is not compatible with Hoverglide. However there're 2 different adapters you can buy to use Hoverglide mast with Moses or Ghost Whisper fuselages

if the Moses alu mast/plate/fuselage are essentially the same as the SS one?

No. Hoverglide mast obviously didn't fit on the Gunnar's video and as he mentioned they're wider. Different aluminum profile

[Flyboy]

Just want to be clear that Moses are NOT piggy backing on SS aluminum production, but have their own distinct manufacturer.
Furthermore, wanting to decide whether it makes more sense to go with Moses mast/fuselage etc. rather than SS. I am assuming that Moses will eventually release longer versions of the alu mast.

I'm Ok with a foil that is heavier than carbon ... but would prefer it not to be wildly heavier than 4.5 kg.

[grigorib]

Just want to be clear that Moses are NOT piggy backing on SS aluminum production, but have their own distinct manufacturer.

Liquid Force has a patent on aluminum foil construction and had Slingshot pay fees to them. Liquid Force, Slingshot, Cabrinha, Naish and whonot had their aluminum setups on the market for years. Nobody is making these profiles for one or another company. Aluminum profile makers are not crazy to over such small orders. Just pick a profile, cut to length, tap the thread and paint your logo. It's nothing noble.

Furthermore, wanting to decide whether it makes more sense to go with Moses mast/fuselage etc. rather than SS. I am assuming that Moses will eventually release longer versions of the alu mast.

Good luck with this choice. Moses has amazing wings but was late with aluminum setup. But on the other hand Slingshot (Tony L) has had authored some of the most popular non-race Moses wings. I personally will not own fuselage specific for aluminum mast (710 alu) but rather will use an adapter and regular 647/710 fuselages (if I ever ride aluminum mast).

Moses aluminum setup is very neat and precise!

[Flyboy]

Liquid Force has a patent on aluminum foil construction and had Slingshot pay fees to them.

Really? Doesn't seem possible that you can patent something as basic as that? When did LQF first put out their alu foil ... 2015? Didn't Zeeko also have an alu foil on the market by then?

Nobody is making these profiles for one or another company. Aluminum profile makers are not crazy to over such small orders. Just pick a profile, cut to length, tap the thread and paint your logo. It's nothing noble.

What I mean, is that I assume that none of the kite companies are manufacturing their own aluminum masts in house. So, is there a common source for all these masts ... ie. they're all pretty much that same?

Good luck with this choice. Moses has amazing wings but was late with aluminum setup. But on the other hand Slingshot (Tony L) has had authored some of the most popular non-race Moses wings. I personally will not own fuselage specific for aluminum mast (710 alu) but rather will use an adapter and regular 647/710 fuselages (if I ever ride aluminum mast).

So Tony Logosz is the principal designer of the 633, 683, 790 wings etc.? And Moses has the carbon manufacturing shop to make them?

Moses aluminum setup is very neat and precise!

It does seem to make more sense not to have to add an "adaptor" into the mix, if that's what you mean.

[grigorib]

Liquid Force has a patent on aluminum foil construction and had Slingshot pay fees to them.

Really? Doesn't seem possible that you can patent something as basic as that? When did LQF first put out their alu foil ... 2015? Didn't Zeeko also have an alu foil on the market by then?

The way it was written looked like a proper patent to me.

Nobody is making these profiles for one or another company. Aluminum profile makers are not crazy to over such small orders. Just pick a profile, cut to length, tap the thread and paint your logo. It's nothing noble.

What I mean, is that I assume that none of the kite companies are manufacturing their own aluminum masts in house. So, is there a common source for all these masts ... ie. they're all pretty much that same?

a common source is variety of aluminum profiles available on the market. I've seen some same ones, and some were different.

Good luck with this choice. Moses has amazing wings but was late with aluminum setup. But on the other hand Slingshot (Tony L) has had authored some of the most popular non-race Moses wings. I personally will not own fuselage specific for aluminum mast (710 alu) but rather will use an adapter and regular 647/710 fuselages (if I ever ride aluminum mast).

So Tony Logosz is the principal designer of the 633, 683, 790 wings etc.? And Moses has the carbon manufacturing shop to make them?

I assume 590 and 633 at least. Moses has had solid carbon manufacturing for years, before the joint effort and after the joint effort

Moses aluminum setup is very neat and precise!

It does seem to make more sense not to have to add an "adaptor" into the mix, if that's what you mean.

No. I mean that whole set is pretty but for me it's really critical to not have extra fuselage just because of aluminum mast. An adapter to existing fuselages is my choice.

[grigorib]

New windsurf wing (and mast)!

Does anyone have details about area of the wing? Looks more HA than 683s and who knows, it might be thinner and smaller than 683s too?

Then it might be the “590-for-710” If it fits 900 and 710 fuselages, of course

[elguapo]

sorry if this is a repost

re: moses vento (790 wing)
https://store.moseshydrofoil.com/products/kit-vento-85

Designed to plane early with no effort, an ultra stable foil that performs incredibly well in light to medium wind for beginners to intermediate wind foilers.

Cruising, carving, wave riding in small waves, the Vento 85 does everything with amazing easy of use. Jibing has never been so easy.

Pro rider voice : “-The first feeling is super nice. It is so stable even when you go cross wind full power. You don’t have any lateral movement. The other good point of the this foil is that it has the capacity to stay high in the air even at super low speed, when you open the sail or wind drop. This is nice for customer with average level. Also it is by far the best foil that I rode to make easy planning jibe because it is super stable on the jibe and stay up in the air even if you don’t put your foot at the right place. Good job for that! "

i agree 100% with pro rider(i use fluente 91 mast, 710 fuse and 483 stab with the 790 wing)

[Séb]

I just ordered the W720 wing to put on my Onda fuselage and test to see how much faster it is, i hope it can be similar to my 590. The 633 and 720 could be a great combo with one fuselage.

[dave1986]

I just ordered the W720 wing to put on my Onda fuselage and test to see how much faster it is, i hope it can be similar to my 590. The 633 and 720 could be a great combo with one fuselage.

Is the W720 wing intended for kitesurf? I cannot see it on the Moses website

Do you know what characteristics it's supposed to have?
Is it simply a smaller version of the 790 wing?