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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Labskaus » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:04 pm

Now is the Balz pro in stock ,but no tech description ... ?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby DAnderson » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:43 pm

Specs posted on the Balz 720

Surface 746,40 cm2
Root chord 136 mm
Span 720 mm
Aspect ratio 6,95

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby DAnderson » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:57 pm

Bouncing around on the Moses site today & noticed the 590 is listed as compatible w/ the 710 sup fuselage. Is this true?

Edit: error on the site corrected. 590 is not compatible with 710.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:02 pm

My 683s/710/450 have completely replaced my 633/749/483 and a local, heavier buddy of mine snapped the 633/749/483 from me

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:10 pm

Does anyone have a report on 720 as a kitefoil wing?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Flyboy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:10 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:02 pm
My 683s/710/450 have completely replaced my 633/749/483 and a local, heavier buddy of mine snapped the 633/749/483 from me
So, you prefer the performance of the 683 overall?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:25 pm

Flyboy wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:10 pm
grigorib wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:02 pm
My 683s/710/450 have completely replaced my 633/749/483 and a local, heavier buddy of mine snapped the 633/749/483 from me
So, you prefer the performance of the 683 overall?
Yes. I figured that at my 200 lbs the 683s delivers just as much lowend and feels faster (while top speed is just a notch higher). I think a 900-100 sq.cm wing is golden for my very carvy and speedy riding style.
It has been a bliss riding 633 for a year and a half but the only regret I have is that I didn't buy 683s in February 2018 along with 633. I'm happy that i had a chance to ride both extensively before making a choice.

And 590 is still my "large body of water, speedier wing"
It's a good life.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:39 pm

I think that after a year and a half of very exciting foil market development has yet more to bring:

- hopefully there’ll be simple, universal fuselage for kite/wake/surf line (and separate windsurf fuselages obviously)
- hopefully there’ll be a fast/thin but more lightwind wing in 800-900 sq.cm size
- hopefully the wings/stabilizers to come will be more swept back to help fight seaweed
- hopefully wings/stabilizers will have tiny dull bulges on the tips to protect the riders/property from cuts and wings from damage better

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:39 pm

grigorib wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:20 pm
TomW wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:26 am
Moses Please make a compatibility chart !
1. Any mast fits any fuselage (except upcoming aluminum setup). There are at least 2 pretty adapters out there to fit Hoverglide mast to any fuselage.
2. Kite 680 and 647 fuselages fit following wings - 558/550/548/590 freeride, 580/600/600a/637/645 race. Also fit Slingshot 545 (558) freeride and 576 (580) race wings
3. Kite 680 and 647 fuselages fit following stabilizers - 325/330 freeride, 345/380/420/425 race. Also fit Slingshot 328 (330) freeride and 342 (345) race stabilizers.
4. Kite/Surf/SUP 749/710 fuselages fit 633/683s/790/873 wings and 483/450 stabilizers. Could also be used with roughly fitting kite stabilizers but there were conflicting reports on whether those perform well
5. Windsurf 838 fuselage fits 683/639 wings and 483/450 stabilizer
6. Windsurf 900 fuselage fits 633/683s/790/780/900 wings and 425 stabilizer. I’d guess 483/450 might fit too and it makes sense for larger wings.


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P.P.S. Any corrections are welcome
Edited and updated

1. Any carbon mast fits any fuselage (except upcoming aluminum setup). Aluminum masts fit any fuselage marked ALU. There are at least 2 pretty adapters out there to fit Hoverglide mast to any fuselage intended for use with carbon mast.
2. Kite 680 and 647 fuselages fit following wings - 558/550/548/590 freeride, 580/600/600a/637/645/900 race. Also fit Slingshot 545 (558) freeride and 576 (580) race wings
3. Kite 680 and 647 fuselages fit following stabilizers - 325/330 freeride, 345/380/420/425 race. Also fit Slingshot 328 (330) freeride and 342 (345) race stabilizers.
4. Kite/Surf/SUP 749/710 fuselages and Windsurf 900 fuselage fit 720/683s/633/790/873 wings and 483/450 stabilizers. Could also be used with roughly fitting kite stabilizers but there were conflicting reports on whether those perform well
5. Windsurf 838 fuselage fits 683/639 wings and 483/450 stabilizer
6. Windsurf 1100 fuselage fits 645/900 wings and 425 stabilizer. It would also fit other wings and stabilizers fitting 680/647 fuselages but I guess no reason to do it


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P.P.S. Any corrections are welcome

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Flyboy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:45 pm

Is there any problem with using a 633 wing on a 4'6" Dwarfcraft? IE - is it possible to position the plate far enough back in the track to balance the lift of the wing?


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