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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby leeuwen » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:54 am

Does anyone know if there is any difference (except for the logo color) between the (kraken) black series and regular masts?
eg 83B vs 83K

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby handy » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:49 pm

to make the mast more cost efficient they use heavier (thicker) carbon cloths.
Mast has the same weight but is about 15% less stiff.
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby rnelias » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:06 am

I'm afraid my question is already answered here on this thread but I couldn't find using the search engine.

I've got a F647 fuselage to use with W637 and S420 and would like to know what slower wings and stabs this fuselage is also compatible.

Is there a sabfoil/slingshots compatibility table for fuses x wings and stabs or everything is interchangable (I guess not)?

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:13 am

copying my reply from the previous page of this thread

my pre-kraken compatibility list here
viewtopic.php?p=1075851#p1075851


My progression/preferences went this way
2015: MHL Lift 2013 ~800 cm²
2017: 545 (Moses 558) -> 548
2018: 590 + 633
2019: 683s (679) and rarely 590
2020: 695 and rarely 679. -> 800
2021: 800 -> 730 + 1200
2022: 730 + 1200

I‘ve been playing with my “need for speed” race wings in last two years too for occasional adrenalin boost. 637 -> 600

In 2020 I got too annoyed by need of keeping/carrying two fuselages and decided to stick to kite fuselage only and been on it since, happily

- Moses 800 wing. Higher aspect 840 cm² wing with amazing glide and roll stability. Would go pretty fast if you want and has decent lowend too. Fits kite fuselage.

- 730 cm² wing. “A 590 after winter of porters - larger and thicker” as my friend described it. Great lowend being thicker yet comparable to Moses 800, delivers some good speeds and is way more freeride friendly than 590 and more fun than 633. Fits kite fuselage

- 1200 cm² wing. Comparable area to Moses 633, yet fits kite fuselage which is lighter and allows to switch freeride and lightwind wings without need to have another fuselage.

- 310 cm² surf stabilizer. Similar area to Moses 483/450, yet it’s thinner - producing less drag, has winglets (which help yaw stability) pointed up so you don’t scratch sand/rocks with them, and unlike 450 doesn’t need any shimming. Will fit surf and kite fuselages and is kind of a “pacifier” for overly twitchy foil
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:20 am

rnelias wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:06 am
I'm afraid my question is already answered here on this thread but I couldn't find using the search engine.

I've got a F647 fuselage to use with W637 and S420 and would like to know what slower wings and stabs this fuselage is also compatible.

Is there a sabfoil/slingshots compatibility table for fuses x wings and stabs or everything is interchangable (I guess not)?
See above answer with pics

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:12 pm

I have one Moses 800 wing for sale. New condition, zero scratches, Moses covers included. 840 cm² area, AR 7.6, $550
Can sell with a brand new Barbie pink or Orange fuselage (595mm length, 60 grams lighter and wing positioned 18mm forward compared to 647) and/or a new race or surf stabilizer.

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby aniva » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:38 am

can anyone recommend this setup for kite-foil in low-moderate wind (various conditions)? https://sabfoil.com/en/products/kit-t93899

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby leeuwen » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:12 am

aniva wrote:
Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:38 am
can anyone recommend this setup for kite-foil in low-moderate wind (various conditions)? https://sabfoil.com/en/products/kit-t93899
Are you intentionally looking at a wingfoil wing rather than a kite wing?
In my experience the 699 front wing is already good for low wind and most people will be either limited by their kite and skill level rather than the wing size/lift.
Maybe if you are a really big boy the 699 might be insufficient?

It might be possible to ride the 899 (no clue, never tried) but I would guess it would be an inferior experience and maybe hard to do with huge amount of front foot pressure needing shimming of the stab etc.
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Schietwedder » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:04 am

I would not go bigger than 799 for any kite setup, unless you want to ride a 3m kite all the time :D
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:27 pm

899 is 1383 cm² which is big but not that big. People kitefoil with Slingshot H4 and infinity 76 wings which are in 1500 cm² range.
That being said I personally would hesitate using heavy surf fuselage for kitefoiling and heavy kraken mast in general.
If one weigh 250 lbs and doesn’t bother carrying a cinderblock heavy foil to the beach - there are several to choose from now
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