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grigorib
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:29 am

handy wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:55 am
got my 92 mast today and it's 2414 gr
Heavier than wood core 111 race mast! Is it carbon wrapped aluminum core?

It is that point in time when manufacturers focus so much on winging/surf/windsurf just left kiters behind?

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby Floating around » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:38 am

It is that point in time when manufacturers focus so much on winging/surf/windsurf just left kiters behind?
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This is my feeling as well, allot of new surf wings available but not much in the kite side.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby Floating around » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:40 am

handy wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:55 am
got my 92 mast today and it's 2414 gr
That is great news, wonder what is up with the 3 kg one.

Any chance you would give a little review of the mast? Or just a few pictures?

Thanks.

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/695/730/600/637 wings and 310/273/230/425/420 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Wed May 05, 2021 5:57 am

A quick report on one more RDB wing I’ve been riding. The 860 sq.cm wing has very nice, higher cruising speed, has decent area to go slow and most important reason I got it - it has swept back LE which I needed so bad for seaweed infested waters of OBX.
The sensation of catching seaweed on the wing is comparable to catching a dead deer on the road and dragging it under the truck. Lift vanishes, back foot pressure skyrockets and you gotta stop every other tack to shed the damn seaweeds off. If you go foil soundside OBX in days following strong winds that churn the waters and if your wing has straight LE - you won’t be happy.
Swept back wings like 633/683s/679/H4 and the 860 experiencing this problem to much lesser grade. Yet all of these except 860 mount on heavier surf (or aluminum block in case of H4) fuselage and for kitefoiling a light and universal kite fuselage is my choice.

The 860 wing requires moving the mast 15mm forward compared to kitefoil wings like 800/695/730/590 to maintain same foot position.
The 860 is a bit on a heavier side alike RDB 600 sq.cm race wing - there’s just more carbon in it and core must be heavier too.
Yet an awesome wing to have
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grandeand » Wed May 05, 2021 8:19 pm

grigorib wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:04 pm
And to repeat what has been said endless times: bring back rhe 425 and introduce its larger version (yet thinner than 483/450) for huge wings. Those would be two major stabilizers ever needed
yes man. you are right. Jimmie, do 425 again. Please
is there anyone who could reproduce it?

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby adriatic » Thu May 06, 2021 11:54 am

adriatic wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:25 pm
Any news on the new 950? Is it 1450 or 1650 cm2?
So, up to recently the sabfoil website was showing 1600cm2 as the surface area for the 950.

Today the site is showing 1350cm2.

What are those guys smoking?

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/695/730/600/637 wings and 310/273/230/425/420 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu May 06, 2021 12:39 pm

New pretty logos on the wings and stabilizers
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grigorib
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/695/730/600/637 wings and 310/273/230/425/420 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu May 06, 2021 12:57 pm

Compatibility list updated
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby Floating around » Thu May 06, 2021 4:31 pm

Hi all,
The Moses 91 mast is now marketed for youth racing. As such it has 2 large white “stickers” on it with the class compliance info.
I’m long past being a youth and rather dislike the big white patches on a otherwise black mast. Dose anyone know if these are actually stickers and can just be pulled off without cosmetic damage? Or are they under the clear coat?
Thanks.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby dave1986 » Thu May 06, 2021 7:29 pm

Floating around wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 4:31 pm
Hi all,
The Moses 91 mast is now marketed for youth racing. As such it has 2 large white “stickers” on it with the class compliance info.
I’m long past being a youth and rather dislike the big white patches on a otherwise black mast. Dose anyone know if these are actually stickers and can just be pulled off without cosmetic damage? Or are they under the clear coat?
Thanks.
No idea about whether the stickers can be removed, but it does seem very strange that Moses/SAB haven't continued a standard 91cm mast!!?


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