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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby dave1986 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:58 pm

grigorib wrote:
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550, 558, 718 are gone but are well covered by 671/590 and 800 respectively

But the 550 558 and 718 do have different characteristics to all of the newer wings.... the reason they have been discontinued is not because they're worse... but probably cos they can't justify so many wings in the lineup

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby Tom Tom » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm

Still think the 550 is an absolutley great freeride wing.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby tkaraszewski » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

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What's everyone's opinion on how much more improvement we can expect to current moses kite hydrofoil designs?
I feel like the Moses (SAB) kite foil range covers pretty much every style and discipline of kite hydrofoil (550, 590, 670, 558, 679, 633, 695, 718, 800). Is something missing which should be covered in 2021?

Of course there is the opportunity to produce different designs for new applications (such as the recent 950 and 1100 wings).
I don't think it's specific to Moses, but I think basically everything reasonable has been tried now. We've passed the point of super-quick changes in foil wings with high-aspect surf wings being the last "big thing" here, and I expect subtle refinements from this point forward. Wingspans got wider, but I think they're gotten *too* wide for kiting with surf and pump wings, but of course people have already tried those for kiting, so there's nothing new there that nobody's done before. Expect subtle changes year to year, that the manufacturers sell as a big deal, but like with kites, are pretty incremental. Even at the super high end, the Mike's Lab bullet 6 is a pretty incremental improvement over the Bullet 3, and that's a race foil where the results are measurable. For freeride/surf foils where there's no objective measurement of "good", I think we're basically there already.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby grigorib » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:58 pm

What’s been both exciting and concerning that every new wing seemed to be somewhat experimental in nature - there was little evolution of specific lines and hopefully we’ll get closer to to several lines of wings sled to various rider weights - a race/freeride medium-high aspect thin wings and wave oriented - larger, medium-high aspect wings with thicker profile to not outrun waves

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby grigorib » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:48 pm

dave1986 wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:58 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:23 pm
550, 558, 718 are gone but are well covered by 671/590 and 800 respectively

But the 550 558 and 718 do have different characteristics to all of the newer wings.... the reason they have been discontinued is not because they're worse... but probably cos they can't justify so many wings in the lineup
All three of these could be easily covered with 671 and 800 or alternatively with 590 and 695, yet from different perspective the 671-800 and 550-695 would be two pairs of same wing actually scaled

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby PrfctChaos » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:47 am

The best thing Moses can do now is to stop putting the fuselage ontop of the wings. It is a bad detail for drag (creating big losses right where the wing is doing the most of its work.). But it would mean they need new fuselages and wings, so might be too extreme a change for them.

See Armstrong, Axis, Gofoil, Gong etc all avoid putting the fuselage ontop of the wing. Rather having a smooth wing and hiding the fuselage behind the wing.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby tkaraszewski » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 am

PrfctChaos wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:47 am
The best thing Moses can do now is to stop putting the fuselage ontop of the wings. It is a bad detail for drag (creating big losses right where the wing is doing the most of its work.). But it would mean they need new fuselages and wings, so might be too extreme a change for them.

See Armstrong, Axis, Gofoil, Gong etc all avoid putting the fuselage ontop of the wing. Rather having a smooth wing and hiding the fuselage behind the wing.
They already did this for their race foil. They could make some more wings for that fuselage.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby gmb13 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:31 am

A big box just arrived from Italy.

World Premiere of the SABFoil 92 Mast, W940 Front wing, S370 Stabiliser and the thing you have all been asking for, the 710 Fuselage with M8 Screws for the Front Wings.

I can't wait to get on the water to test this setup.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021

Postby grigorib » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:41 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:31 am
....the 710 Fuselage with M8 Screws for the Front Wings.
Which wings would be compatible with M8 bolts? How would it work for old wings?
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