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Re: Moses 2019

Postby juanpasala » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:13 pm

cwood wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:08 pm
juanpasala wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:57 pm
cwood wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:54 pm


Tuttle is a fixed element in the board.....not sure what you are asking.
What I mean is how far from the back of the board a tutle box for the Havok should be positioned?
That would be an arbitrary measurement....in that what is more important is the location of the footstraps to the mast mount point....which determines your center of gravity over the wings. Are you designing a board?
I am, Staps are completelly at the back of the board, and front straps are 64cm away, so I need an idea of the mast positioning in order to install the box :)

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby cwood » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm

juanpasala wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:13 pm
cwood wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:08 pm
juanpasala wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:57 pm


What I mean is how far from the back of the board a tutle box for the Havok should be positioned?
That would be an arbitrary measurement....in that what is more important is the location of the footstraps to the mast mount point....which determines your center of gravity over the wings. Are you designing a board?
I am, Staps are completelly at the back of the board, and front straps are 64cm away, so I need an idea of the mast positioning in order to install the box :)
now we're talking! So you need someone that can give you the rear strap mounts in relation to tuttle. I would see if you can find someone that has one of the new Havok boards on hand.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:29 pm

cwood wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm
juanpasala wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:13 pm
So you need someone that can give you the rear strap mounts in relation to tuttle. I would see if you can find someone that has one of the new Havok boards on hand.
Is the new Havoc board made by Newind?
I was thinking that it might be after seeing the factory pictures.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby cwood » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:53 pm

Foil wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:29 pm
cwood wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm
juanpasala wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:13 pm
So you need someone that can give you the rear strap mounts in relation to tuttle. I would see if you can find someone that has one of the new Havok boards on hand.
Is the new Havoc board made by Newind?
I was thinking that it might be after seeing the factory pictures.
I believe so but that's only based on Instagram photos. If it's any help I can tell you that with the Havok wings I had to move my Vorace mast at least an inch forward from the 637 wings position.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:22 pm

I've been riding 683s in OBX for last two weeks and I can't believe I didn't buy it last year.
Rides faster than 633, feels faster than 633, comparable lowend to 633 - doesn't stall as smaller wing but obviously is not as fast as 590
Doesn't keep foil floating horizontally as 633 - but that doesn't bother me in either case.

Absolutely awesome wing and if Moses held it off to be released in 2019 it'd be same top hit as 590/633 back in 2018.

I think if paired with 710 and 450 it'd be very sweet setup :)

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby ladomi » Wed May 01, 2019 12:41 am

Just out of curiosity, are the Slingshot Infinity wings made by Moses?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Thu May 02, 2019 12:54 pm

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For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Thu May 02, 2019 1:01 pm

ladomi wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 12:41 am
Just out of curiosity, are the Slingshot Infinity wings made by Moses?
I doubt so very much. Slingshot has been quite unhappy by delays/availability of 590-633 for them - they must have lost bunch of business by people upgrading their Ghost Whisper sets to Moses original wings which became available about 6 months earlier for 590-637 and about a year earlier for 633 (since 633 has been continuously out of stock till end of 2018 at Slingshot).

Part of that must have been Slingshot bad decision to market outdated race foils as “new year models” few months before 590/637/633 wings and 647/749 pretty fuselages were released.

At the same time they had plenty of Hoverglide wings all the time except H1 which never saw enough daylight till being released as Time Code 68

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For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue May 07, 2019 5:30 am

Horst Sergio wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:49 pm
grigorib wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:01 pm
Custom. Same wing-stabilizer spacing as 749 but mast forward.
Respect for the professional clean work. :thumb:
Would you or who ever produced this black beauty think about building further moses custom fuselages, for example a short mono to mount strut over the wing?
Or maybe share the 3D raw data of the two conection forms? Thanks
I can get a 743 fuselage to anyone interested. It features mast positioned 40mm forward compared to 749 which allows:
- using existing fixed holes on a board to be able to ride 633/790/873 and not having to drill new ones further to the back of the board
- not moving mast when switching between 590 and 633
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby cwood » Tue May 07, 2019 12:01 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 5:30 am
Horst Sergio wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:49 pm
grigorib wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:01 pm
Custom. Same wing-stabilizer spacing as 749 but mast forward.
Respect for the professional clean work. :thumb:
Would you or who ever produced this black beauty think about building further moses custom fuselages, for example a short mono to mount strut over the wing?
Or maybe share the 3D raw data of the two conection forms? Thanks
I can get a 743 fuselage to anyone interested. It features mast positioned 40mm forward compared to 749 which allows:
- using existing fixed holes on a board to be able to ride 633/790/873 and not having to drill new ones further to the back of the board
- not moving mast when switching between 590 and 633
What is cost grigorib?


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