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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Thu May 16, 2019 12:24 pm

Foil wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:41 am
...
I had a very interesting conversation with a direct contact of an industry insider this week, when I was asking him about the confusing reasons moses had brought out the 450 rear wing and shorter fuselage,
during a trip to the moses factory ...
Would you share what you learnt?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Jimmy Mazzanti » Thu May 16, 2019 1:59 pm

omg wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 7:18 am
so are you saying the designer of foil wings has left Moses?
It was great to cooperate and share ideas with such a experienced and innovative designer like Mr. Logosz
anyway
Moses designs and develops hydrofoils since 2008, WAY before all big brands and way before almost the totality of the "only" hydrofoil brands.

We are today the biggest hydrofoil company in the world

We are able to design and produce aircraft with an exclusive design, for example the 2 models in the photo fly up to 400 km of speed and I'm sure we , as Moses, have no difficulty thanks to 11 years of experience in the hydrofoil design and thanks to the 2 designers who works inside ou company to maintain leadership in both design and construction of Hydrofoil.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 pm

grigorib wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:24 pm
Foil wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:41 am
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I had a very interesting conversation with a direct contact of an industry insider this week, when I was asking him about the confusing reasons moses had brought out the 450 rear wing and shorter fuselage,
during a trip to the moses factory ...
Would you share what you learnt?
It wasn't me who went to the factory, so facts may not be 100% in line with the original moses words.
One story was very interesting as carbon cloth cuts for the masts are cut by hand not machine as the machine is not as good as the skilled operators (2 ladies with scissors) very sharp scissors as they blunt easily cutting the carbon, the story is the machines can pull threads of carbon fibres during the cutting and this ruins the job, the staff have to be extra careful to avoid this,
I was told that the 91 cm mast comprises of 150 cuts of material, whilst the 101 mast 200 cuts, sounds crazy.
i was wondering if they meant 15 cuts and 20 cuts, as so many sounds silly.
Apparently the aluminium foil set up sent out as a demo set up will differ from the production product which will have all interchangeable parts so people can upgrade easily.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby alowishus » Thu May 16, 2019 4:05 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:16 pm
...450 wingtips are pointed up and are less pointy so there'll be less chance of wingtip damage (which 483 occasionally gets)...

...I will certainly be riding 683s/710/450 but I wish it was flawless and if someone had looked at it more critically - we'd have a perfect set.
Hi grigorib,
Are you able to comment on the difference between riding the 450 and the 483 stabilizers with the 683S?

Apart from the less pointy wing tips, was there any other reason for going with the 450?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Thu May 16, 2019 5:15 pm

alowishus wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 4:05 pm
grigorib wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:16 pm
...450 wingtips are pointed up and are less pointy so there'll be less chance of wingtip damage (which 483 occasionally gets)...

...I will certainly be riding 683s/710/450 but I wish it was flawless and if someone had looked at it more critically - we'd have a perfect set.
Hi grigorib,
Are you able to comment on the difference between riding the 450 and the 483 stabilizers with the 683S?

Apart from the less pointy wing tips, was there any other reason for going with the 450?
I liked how 450 is more compact and I was hoping less pointy winglets would add to durability.
Plus, it’s a new year wing, why not give it a try :)

As soon as compare them side by side I’ll share my feedback.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Fri May 17, 2019 1:42 pm

Foil wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 pm
grigorib wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:24 pm
Foil wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:41 am
...
I had a very interesting conversation with a direct contact of an industry insider this week, when I was asking him about the confusing reasons moses had brought out the 450 rear wing and shorter fuselage,
during a trip to the moses factory ...
Would you share what you learnt?
..
Apparently the aluminium foil set up sent out as a demo set up will differ from the production product which will have all interchangeable parts so people can upgrade easily.
I hope Moses can keep up great job of modular build they design. Today any of their masts - be it tuttle or plate, of any length could be used for any fuselage. There was a 2017 minor slip in making windsurf/surf wings different but guys recovered from that.
Better modular system lets users pick and choose components for their foil build and will streamline production allowing manufacturing more gear faster. Not speaking of warehouse/stock relief to manufacturer. For folks who travel the modular system is quite valuable too. I hope aluminum Moses masts will be compatible with carbon.


Alternatively though,
One doesn't want to be in patent licencing battle and pay Liquid Force money for selling aluminum masts.
If I was Moses I'd be machining mast adapter conversion kits for most widespread aluminum masts on the market - Slingshot/Cloud9/LF/Cabrinha. Carbon masts are luxury items, not everyone chooses those. So let people fly Moses wings and piggyback on their legacy aluminum mast. Another way/bet would be to produce fuselages with flat, flush top surface and a set of holes to mount onto most widespread aluminum hole spacing.

Being a major foil manufacturer - is it really a noble thing to make business in painting and labeling extruded aluminum? Let others do it and maybe live happier life in a world of CNC and carbon :)

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby TomW » Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm

I'm willing to pay a little more to get a nice black alu mast with the Moses logo so it matches my wings and fuselage. That Said, they should make an adapter too.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Fri May 17, 2019 4:34 pm

TomW wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm
I'm willing to pay a little more to get a nice black alu mast with the Moses logo so it matches my wings and fuselage. That Said, they should make an adapter too.
lets see just what Moses are able to offer,
if no adaptor is available from moses then if I am right there are 2 adaptors being made right now(I have one of them)
the one from Huston kiteboarding who market the stick on foil mount, the adaptor is superb, but-
stringfellow again in the states, makes the same mast adaptor (slingshot to moses) only it looks even neater.
anybody else? :thumb:

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby BraCuru » Fri May 17, 2019 6:33 pm

Jimmy Mazzanti wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 1:59 pm
We are today the biggest hydrofoil company in the world
It's hard to deny.
Glad that Moses HF has predicted the coming revolution many years ago - well ahead of big names.
And this is what I appreciate so much.
It was surprising and interesting that a small Italian company became the leader setting the standards nowadays.
I find one explanation: Moses people always have been believers.

Personally I have great memories with this company and people.
Remember so well my first contact with Ruben to convince him to take an old guy from Poland on board as a teamrider hahaha.
Those days there was only Silente on their offer. One mast and two front wings.

This is my short summary of last 7 years with these hydrofoils:



The end of of hymn of praise... :bye:
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby DukeSilver » Sat May 18, 2019 12:54 am

Great video!


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