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grigorib
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:29 pm

tomtom wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:50 pm
very rough - from these pictures
Imagine pairing it with 425 stabilizer and it could be a nice high speed wing with decent lowend
Kind of race setup for 200+ lbs non-racers :)

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:49 pm

...or imagine 720 was available without the tail and fitting 647 fuselage. Again paired with 425 stabilizer it’d be such a nice thing

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/101/105cm masts with 637/420 695/425 590/330 679/450 wingsets, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:51 pm

tomtom wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:50 pm
very rough - from these pictures
what SW is that?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:54 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:25 am
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Gunnar
Gunnar,
if you had a chance to ride the 420 or 425 race stabilizers paired with a surf wing, do you mind sharing your feedback on that?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby tomtom » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:51 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:51 pm
tomtom wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:50 pm
very rough - from these pictures
what SW is that?
adobe illustrator with cad plugin but any cad SW can calculate area from shape
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby DAnderson » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:13 pm

The 720 will fit the surf fuseage? I thought there was a compatibility issue ie: 683 vs 683s

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Séb » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:41 pm

DAnderson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:13 pm
The 720 will fit the surf fuseage? I thought there was a compatibility issue ie: 683 vs 683s
Moses told me it fit the Onda fuselage and this is why i’m ordering one. I will sell my kite foil 647 with 590/550 and keep just the Onda fuselage with 633 and 720 wing. At first i will use my 483 stab but later on i will probably get a race stab or 450 i don’t know.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:53 pm

DAnderson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:13 pm
The 720 will fit the surf fuseage? I thought there was a compatibility issue ie: 683 vs 683s
Moses quietly retired 2018 windfoil line of 838 fuselage, 683 and 639 wings. I can't imagine a good reason and how someone could justify making such incompatible setup but life is too short for proprietary solutions so 900 windfoil fuselage can mount any of surf wings.

Still bugs me thinking how much the molds and production of 639/683 cost and how these could have been just compatible with surf fuselage to start with (and give kitefoilers 639 to fly on a year and a half earlier)

And just as 633 turned from surf setup into amazing kite setup, the windfoil wings can follow same route too. I don't think there's any geometry restrictions or specifics for windfoil wings, the only difference I can spot is need of dedicated fuselage.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby a99 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:40 pm

Probably huge success with 633 compensated enough all 683 and 639 wings market losses, nobody bought them as all wanted 633. Strange that moses product testers dont understand that 633 much better goes for kiting than surf :) even as kiting wings market much bigger than surf wings :)

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:29 pm

a99 wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:40 pm
Probably huge success with 633 compensated enough all 683 and 639 wings market losses, nobody bought them as all wanted 633. Strange that moses product testers dont understand that 633 much better goes for kiting than surf :) even as kiting wings market much bigger than surf wings :)
the 683 wing V the 683s wing
they are not the same thickness or weights, I was sent the windsurf one by mistake, the 683, no s, and it is heavy, cant remember how much heavier than the 683s, but a lot! way thicker as well, and of course the holes are completely in the wrong place for the Onda fuse.
what a load of confusion for a few hours
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