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Re: Moses 2019

Postby a99 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:33 am

It's already all 2020 line published in their website https://store.moseshydrofoil.com lot of new wings also few new masts !
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby NYKiter » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:08 pm

How did they sell out of a majority of the kite foils already??

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby a99 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Do you mean 2020 line or 2019 thei sold ? lot of 2019 wings and even earlier are in their stock.
2020 line will start only from 2019 December for purchases. Still i don't understand what is reason to make now 106 mast to having 101 and 111 cm lenght masts ? Such big need for 106 cm mast ? Why :)? Big difference in 5 cm :)?? Better they released somthing as 122cm mast, there will be much bigger interest i think or at least 119 cm mast.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby evan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:42 pm

a99 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:23 pm
Do you mean 2020 line or 2019 thei sold ? lot of 2019 wings and even earlier are in their stock.
2020 line will start only from 2019 December for purchases. Still i don't understand what is reason to make now 106 mast to having 101 and 111 cm lenght masts ? Such big need for 106 cm mast ? Why :)? Big difference in 5 cm :)?? Better they released somthing as 122cm mast, there will be much bigger interest i think or at least 119 cm mast.
Somewhere between 105-110 cm seems to be the best length for racing masts, where the compromise between length, Stiffness and profile thickness/drag turns out to be the best for drag vs control.
Longer masts require more thickness or else they are bending so much that you also can't push as fast as a shorter mast.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby oregonkiter » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:50 pm

683S out of the line up...?

Glad I have one

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:11 pm

Last year it was October when I hoped for new line to appear but 2019 been quite gradual addition.
2020 line is out and looking at amount of knowledge in the thread I'm renaming it.

Here's what's new
- 695 kite wing (770 sq.cm) as a “22% bigger than 590”. It actually looks like bigger 548
- 548 is gone
- 718 kite wing (740 sq.cm) - looks identical to 720 Balz Pro I played with at KOGL but for 647 fuselage
- 679 surf wing (990 sq.cm) - a tad smaller than 1008 sq.cm of 683s. However no tail in the back. I wonder if it sits further back than 683s
- 683s is gone
- 1100 surf wing (2100 sq.cm)
- 800 windsurf wing (840 sq.cm)
- 1000 windsurf wing (1100 sq.cm) Same area as 873 but higher aspect and I bet it will be a better wing

New race 670/604/421 wing/fuselage/stabilizer (incompatible with current fuselage) and old 645/425 race setup is gone

72cm mast
82cm mast (hurray!)
95cm Tuttle mast
106cm Tuttle mast
95cm aluminum mast

On my personal note:
- Finally I have an option of 82cm mast (as replacement of both 80cm aluminum and 91cm carbon) for quite a while to compliment my 106cm mast.
- 695 kite wing seems to be not swept back enough so alike 548 it'll catch all the damn seaweed, but exciting overall
- 679 surf wing could be a cool thing to play with
- I'm really curious abouth thickness of 695 and 679 wings. Are they thin similarly to 550/683s or thicker like 548/633?
- I'm still cautiously excited about use of 425/421 race stabilizer for 590/695 - hopefully enabling lower end for those
- New race fuselage seems like an attempt to separate race setup off and maybe merge kite and surf lines (fuselage compatibility) in 2021
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby tkaraszewski » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:30 pm

oregonkiter wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:50 pm
683S out of the line up...?

Glad I have one
Looks like the 679 replaces it. It looks very similar.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:52 pm

Guys are still working on updating the page adding wing area to the main wing description. Funny they changed claimed area of 590 from 633 sq.cm to 650 sq.cm

Finally folks understand that area of the wing is one of major factors to describe the wing. I hope they add thickness for all the wings too as it matters

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby tkaraszewski » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:08 pm

The 695 is the most interesting new wing in this lineup to me. It might be just what I want in terms of something with a bit more speed than the existing surf wings and a bit more stability than the 590, while fitting on the smaller/lighter kite fuselage. Also looks like I can try it out with all my existing gear except for the front wing, which is nice.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:25 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:39 pm
grigorib wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:20 pm
TomW wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:26 am
Moses Please make a compatibility chart !
1. Any mast
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Edited and updated
1. Any carbon mast
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2020 release update. Marking new components in bold and discontinued components in grey

1. Any carbon mast fits any fuselage, except ALU-marked fuselages for aluminum mast setup. There are at least 2 pretty adapters out there to fit Hoverglide mast to any fuselage intended for use with carbon mast.
2. Kite 647/680 fuselages and Windsurf race 1100 fuselage fit
- wings: kite 695/718/590/548/550/558/560 freeride, 1000/900 /800/671 windsurf race, 645/637/600a/600/580 race. Also fit Slingshot kite 545 (558) freeride and 576 (580) race wings.
- stabilizers: 330/325 freeride 400/421/425/420/380/345 race. Also fit Slingshot 328 (330) freeride and 342 (345) race stabilizers.
3. New 604 race fuselage fits 670 wing and 400/421 stabilizer. It would also fit any other kite stabilizer but I guess no reason to do it
4. Kite/Surf/SUP 710/749/710alu fuselages and Windsurf 900/900alu fuselages fit 1100/873/790/679/633/683s/720 wings and 450/483 surf stabilizers. Could also be used with roughly fitting kite stabilizers but there were conflicting reports on whether those perform well
5. Windsurf 838 fuselage fits 683/639 wings and 450/483 stabilizer

P.S. I'm not affiliated with Moses
P.P.S. Any corrections are welcome
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