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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:37 pm

TomW wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:22 pm
I got a comparison of 679 to 633 wing on Facebook. I'll stick to the 633...
Not willing to give to up turning radius for a few more knots speed and lower take off
May I ask for a copy-paste please?

Curious about wing thickness and how does it fit the fuselage too (683s has a gap by the leading edge and has a tiny tail to cover whole crossing of wing/fuselage area)

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Wazza Foil » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:20 am

grigorib wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:37 pm
TomW wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:22 pm
I got a comparison of 679 to 633 wing on Facebook. I'll stick to the 633...
Not willing to give to up turning radius for a few more knots speed and lower take off
May I ask for a copy-paste please?

Curious about wing thickness and how does it fit the fuselage too (683s has a gap by the leading edge and has a tiny tail to cover whole crossing of wing/fuselage area)
My 683s also had the gap however it went after a few months of use and no issue with performance.
A friend who was a dedicated 633 guy bought a 683 and the 633 is now collecting dust.
So different things for different people and we are spoilt for choice.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby dave1986 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:23 am

Any idea why the 683S has been discontinued and replaced with the 679? These 2 wings seem very similar in size and shape.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Wazza Foil » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:07 am

dave1986 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:23 am
Any idea why the 683S has been discontinued and replaced with the 679? These 2 wings seem very similar in size and shape.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby gmb13 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:25 pm



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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:38 pm

...I should have paid more attention to the title
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby gmb13 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:42 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:38 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:25 pm

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Is it 718/421? Stabilizer looks to be race and wing looks like 558 but I guess you’d be riding some fresh wings now

I’d bet 718/421 would be lightwindish and really “locked” and I’d be curious to hear feedback on 695 wing compared to 590
Umm? It says in the title "W695" it's with the 420 stab

The 695 is a whole other level of low end and stability compared to the 590.



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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:48 pm

gmb13 wrote:
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The 695 is a whole other level of low end and stability compared to the 590.
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How much of added stability do you think is from 420 instead of 330 stabilizer?
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby gmb13 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:59 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:48 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:42 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:38 pm


Is it 718/421? Stabilizer looks to be race and wing looks like 558 but I guess you’d be riding some fresh wings now

I’d bet 718/421 would be lightwindish and really “locked” and I’d be curious to hear feedback on 695 wing compared to 590
Umm? It says in the title "W695" it's with the 420 stab

The 695 is a whole other level of low end and stability compared to the 590.



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How much of added stability do you think is from 420 instead of 330 stabilizer?
Not much. I tried the 695 and 590 with the 330, 420 and 325. I found the 695 both a lot more balanced with the 420. Made it a lot easier to push it more. Also for carving the 420 felt more agile and less pitchy. That said, the 590 it fun too, but needs more wind and is just not as roll stable as the 695.



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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:05 am

gmb13 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:59 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:48 pm
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How much of added stability do you think is from 420 instead of 330 stabilizer?
Not much. I tried the 695 and 590 with the 330, 420 and 325. I found the 695 both a lot more balanced with the 420. Made it a lot easier to push it more. Also for carving the 420 felt more agile and less pitchy. That said, the 590 it fun too, but needs more wind and is just not as roll stable as the 695.
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So you’re saying that 695 vs 590 is major difference and race stabilizer makes less impact on lowend but rather on pitch stability?
Do you think it’s worth riding 590 with 420 stabilizer instead of 330?


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