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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Foil » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:26 am

Frankieboy wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:46 pm
Foil wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:11 am
grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:17 pm


Which wingset will you ride?
633 and 483. :thumb:
please give us some feedback.
I will ride 82 + 633 but with the 450 stab as I will use the 1100 for wingfoiling on the same mast/stab/fuse

Too early to give a lot of "average joe" feedback,
Only one gusty shallow water session done with this rather superb looking, very light, and superbly finished work of art,
it certainly has a different higher quality look about it, more slender looking base plate and fine detail finish around the fuselage end , just more eye pleasing.

I resisted touching the back trailing edge with wet/dry paper, although I was very tempted, as every Moses mast I have owned, which has been maybe 8 carbon masts now have all whistled a fine tune at top speed, easy enough to dial out with a few simple 30deg tuning strokes along the trailing edge to silence them.

It goes without saying the feather-weight 82cm mast made light work of picking the rig up with one hand to rest on my shoulder, walking to the water kite in the air style was so much easier, a welcome change to juggling with my 101mast set up.
getting going at the edges of the lagoon was so easy, the shorter mast gives so much more confidence to allow for quick shallow water start.

Coming off the 101 mast used mostly over the last year it was a struggle to behave myself in the shallow water lagoon,
but I have to say that not once did I "explode" due to breaching the wing,
however this is testament to how good the 633 is,firstly warning me with a little slurpy sound,and then instantly gripping again if it pops out a little,
a few times I did go too high but the drop down was slow and gentle allowing me to bounce back off the surface without stopping, all good.

Boosting felt good as the swing weight was noticeably lighter, however the payback was I could not set up for a boost as aggressively, as the wing tip would pop out just before take off, just before leveling off for take off, landings felt no different, but the boosting conditions were quite rubbish really on my 5mtr foil, so time will tell more when using my bigger kites.
I could not really push for high speed due to the gusty conditions and narrowness of the lagoon,I tried hard a few times to get some speed up, and at no time heard any whistle or humming, but I bet I never got up to near 20 knts needed to start any humming.
Coming back in it was amazing how much confidence the 82cm mast gave me to ride high and sail right into the sandy edge, jumping off in little over ankle deep water.

In this short session I can say its a much better mast to use than the shorter moses versions, (of which the 70cm was by far more user friendly than the 60 or the silly short 40cm) which for me were just to limiting and frustrating,
the 82cm is definitely a good shallow water session saver with lots of fun to offer, apart from high and fast upwind angles of attack and carefree basting around the corners, kite looping needs much more care to avoid bursts of high lifting acceleration, you need a bit of self control which is not surprising, no slurping down a few cans of red bull before a session.
when using the 82mast I would definitely only use the 633 wing and 483 rear wing for maximum pitch stability and breach recovery qualities,

And anytime the old question comes up from someone starting off with a little cash to spend, I would definitely recommend getting the 82cm mast as a keeper for learning on and keeping for use as a session saver in shallow water,
and of course for anyone of any level to use on them mega light wind days, especially in onshore winds.
(forget using an aluminum short mast set up, if budget will allow, go for this beauty, you would probably never sell it on)

I did make my own 82cm mast 6 months ago from an aluminium slingshot 90cm mast using the adaptor to allow for fitting to the Moses fuselage, it worked well, but the weight was very noticeable, not so much the riding, as it felt very similar, but the ease of use, in setting up, getting to the water, the weight when carrying, spinning the board around after a wipe out all actions were compromised by the extra weight,
so when moses came to the same conclusion that 82cm was the better length for use for shallow water and other applications then I was one of the first to put my hand in the air and ask for one.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby cwood » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:41 pm

grigorib wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:26 am
tkaraszewski wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:45 pm
No ride reports on the 695 out 718 yet? Only Gunnar’s 695 jumping video?
Silent Sports already have 695 and 679. Damn, I want to ride one bad.

Two years back I got and rode #2 590 in US on La Ventana trip, same time Fred was riding one for Slingshot, I loved it and thanks to Gunnar’s review and bunch of California older dudes at Kirk’s I ordered the 633 the day I got back from the trip.
These two sets lasted well, up to last spring, and I’m grateful to Frank and you Tyler for inspiration on the 683s.

Time to demo 2020 wings, time to ride some new gear!
I dropped by Silent yesterday and picked up a 679, 483 and 710 fuse to contrast race wing and big kite boosting with big wing, small kite light wind playing. I handled the 695 and was reeeaallly tempted but wasn't in a spendy mood :-)

I had sold off my 633 a while ago after getting frustrated with the relative balance points and not using it much....and it was great to see they moved the mast point on the 710 forward which should make that problem go away.

If money were no object I was really tempted to find a way to hack the fitment of this baby onto the kite or 710 fuse.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby salvino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:22 pm

I’ve been really enjoying the 633 (even soooo much more) since I put 325 stab on. Now I have 82cm mast to try for completion of my travel setup. I’m using short pocket board so everything fits into normal luggage!

As great as 633 is, it really allows intermediate and beyond rider to shine. It has much more surfboard stance/foot pressure feel to it. Swell and waves are insanely fun. Another buddy went same way and still loving it 6 months later.

I do encourage others to try. This modularity allows for so many combos!

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:29 am

cwood wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:41 pm
grigorib wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:26 am
tkaraszewski wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:45 pm
No ride reports on the 695 out 718 yet? Only Gunnar’s 695 jumping video?
Silent Sports already have 695 and 679. Damn, I want to ride one bad.

Two years back I got and rode #2 590 in US on La Ventana trip, same time Fred was riding one for Slingshot, I loved it and thanks to Gunnar’s review and bunch of California older dudes at Kirk’s I ordered the 633 the day I got back from the trip.
These two sets lasted well, up to last spring, and I’m grateful to Frank and you Tyler for inspiration on the 683s.

Time to demo 2020 wings, time to ride some new gear!
I dropped by Silent yesterday and picked up a 679, 483 and 710 fuse to contrast race wing and big kite boosting with big wing, small kite light wind playing. I handled the 695 and was reeeaallly tempted but wasn't in a spendy mood :-)

I had sold off my 633 a while ago after getting frustrated with the relative balance points and not using it much....and it was great to see they moved the mast point on the 710 forward which should make that problem go away.

If money were no object I was really tempted to find a way to hack the fitment of this baby onto the kite or 710 fuse.
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When I tried the 710 fuselage it was almost unrecognizable from 749, since 39mm shorter model had mast proportionally moved forward.

Anyways, the 679 must improve average high speed compared to 633.

900 fits kite fuselage, I think along with race stabilizer it might be very stable wing but a bit too large


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