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grigorib
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/105cm masts with 590/330 695/425 683s/450 679/483 wingsets, Tim's 36" woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

Moses 590/647/330 $740, Moses 633/749/483 $790, Moses 683s/749/483 $890, 75cm alu mast $200, 80cm alu mast $260
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:56 pm

Just a drop of data if anyone is interested

Slingshot 545/680/328 (a.k.a. 558/330) 2.6 lbs
Moses 548/680/325 2.6 lbs
Moses 590/647/330 2.9 lbs
Moses 695/647/425 2.97 lbs

Moses 633/749/483 4.8 lbs (original heavy wing)
Slingshot 633/749/483 4.0 lbs
Moses 683s/710/450 4.2 lbs

Moses 71cm mast 2.7 lbs
Moses 91cm mast 3.4 lbs
Slingshot 91cm mast 3.3 lbs
Slingshot 42” (105cm) mast 4.1 lbs
Slingshot 30” mast with adapter (80cm total length) 5.47 lbs
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby joekitetime » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:37 pm

grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:20 pm

first thing first - 2020 695 wing
the wing is about 20% larger than 590, same thickness, has better lowend and lower plane speed compared to 590. Unlike larger 633/683s wings you can bring it to stall, but it stalls at much lower speed compared to other kite wings and would make it great lowend expansion for anyone riding kite wings. I pushed it to about 26 MPH speed which is not much but also I was riding small kites, not aiming at top speed. Due to straight leading edge the wing will suck in OBX and anywhere with seaweeds present and collecting onto wing. So for that one reason it won't be my "the only wing" if I had to choose one. Great otherwise!

Second experience - 420 stabilizer
While riding the race stabilizer I stated cursing a bit for not having it earlier as it felt superior to standard 330 and made me wonder why 330 does need to exist to start with. The 420 improved pitch and roll stability, increased front foot pressure and allowed to move the mast an inch back and maybe even helped lowend (but not significantly). It allowed to use 590 on 2020 Dwarfcraft without having to drill mast plate holes and without need to shim the stabilizer.

two above 695/420 combo - not sure if Gunnar put them two together by chance, or by intent to move stance forward, or because he knows how awesome race stabilizers are - regardless 685 with race stabilizer is a smart idea and 695/330 is less so.
Thanks for the heads up! I got the 695 and 420 but haven't tested them yet...

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/105cm masts with 590/330 695/425 683s/450 679/483 wingsets, Tim's 36" woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

Moses 590/647/330 $740, Moses 633/749/483 $790, Moses 683s/749/483 $890, 75cm alu mast $200, 80cm alu mast $260
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:27 pm

joekitetime wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:37 pm
grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:20 pm

first thing first - 2020 695 wing
the wing is about 20% larger...

Second experience - 420 stabilizer
While riding the race stabilizer...

two above 695/420 combo - not sure if Gunnar put them two...
Thanks for the heads up! I got the 695 and 420 but haven't tested them yet...
I believe that 695 will rock even better with 425 stabilizer which is visibly larger than 420.

Here’s some foil porn
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grigorib
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Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, SST 5m, Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/105cm masts with 590/330 695/425 683s/450 679/483 wingsets, Tim's 36" woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

Moses 590/647/330 $740, Moses 633/749/483 $790, Moses 683s/749/483 $890, 75cm alu mast $200, 80cm alu mast $260
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:35 pm

Speaking of stabilizers - I’m itching to test 425 instead of 450 with 683s/679 wings. The 425 is thinner than 450 and might add to speed without losing stabilizer efficiency and pitch stability
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby joekitetime » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:39 pm

Thanks for the shots grigorb!

Currently I'm trying to work out some wetsuit/drysuit issues. I ordered both and both were too small! Hope to be on the water soon! Real cold currently!

I have that 483 stab, 330 and 450. I think I have the 425 too, need to check! Pretty sure I have it. Too much to go test!

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Sfollis » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:47 pm

kuit wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:58 am
Anyone tried the 718? What will be the difference in speed in comparison with the 670?
I use the 720, which is virtually identical to the 618 but for the surf fuselage. It is a great stable foil that I have reached >30knots with. I use the 425 stabiliser with the 720 wing.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby a99 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:54 pm

new wing from Feburary Wing 718 Kite - 740 cm2
https://store.moseshydrofoil.com/products/wing-718-kite

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby joekitetime » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:41 pm

grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:20 pm

Second experience - 420 stabilizer
While riding the race stabilizer I stated cursing a bit for not having it earlier as it felt superior to standard 330 and made me wonder why 330 does need to exist to start with. The 420 improved pitch and roll stability, increased front foot pressure and allowed to move the mast an inch back and maybe even helped lowend (but not significantly). It allowed to use 590 on 2020 Dwarfcraft without having to drill mast plate holes and without need to shim the stabilizer.
I'm intrigued by the quote above. I bought an older dwarfcraft with the mounts further forward just so I could ride the 590. I'll be happy to find out that the 420 may solve this issue!

grigorib
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Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, SST 5m, Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/105cm masts with 590/330 695/425 683s/450 679/483 wingsets, Tim's 36" woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

Moses 590/647/330 $740, Moses 633/749/483 $790, Moses 683s/749/483 $890, 75cm alu mast $200, 80cm alu mast $260
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:16 pm

joekitetime wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:41 pm
grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:20 pm

Second experience - 420 stabilizer
While riding the race stabilizer I stated cursing a bit for not having it earlier as it felt superior to standard 330 and made me wonder why 330 does need to exist to start with. The 420 improved pitch and roll stability, increased front foot pressure and allowed to move the mast an inch back and maybe even helped lowend (but not significantly). It allowed to use 590 on 2020 Dwarfcraft without having to drill mast plate holes and without need to shim the stabilizer.
I'm intrigued by the quote above. I bought an older dwarfcraft with the mounts further forward just so I could ride the 590. I'll be happy to find out that the 420 may solve this issue!
2020 Dwarfcraft Micro is missing just under an inch of track in front to accommodate 590 wing with Moses/Slingshot (165x90mm mount) masts. On 2019 Micro I mount 590 so mast is at "3" mark, on 2020 you want it on "8" but it doesn't go further than "6". 420 stabilizer solves that issue. I assume 425 would solve it even better.
I personally been using original 42" (105cm) Slingshot mast with extra holes and it's another way to overcome the issue. Alternatively you can shim 330 stabilizer pointing it more down using 1mm washer and it will have similar effect.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby joekitetime » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:08 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:16 pm
joekitetime wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:41 pm
grigorib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:20 pm

Second experience - 420 stabilizer
While riding the race stabilizer I stated cursing a bit for not having it earlier as it felt superior to standard 330 and made me wonder why 330 does need to exist to start with. The 420 improved pitch and roll stability, increased front foot pressure and allowed to move the mast an inch back and maybe even helped lowend (but not significantly). It allowed to use 590 on 2020 Dwarfcraft without having to drill mast plate holes and without need to shim the stabilizer.
I'm intrigued by the quote above. I bought an older dwarfcraft with the mounts further forward just so I could ride the 590. I'll be happy to find out that the 420 may solve this issue!
2020 Dwarfcraft Micro is missing just under an inch of track in front to accommodate 590 wing with Moses/Slingshot (165x90mm mount) masts. On 2019 Micro I mount 590 so mast is at "3" mark, on 2020 you want it on "8" but it doesn't go further than "6". 420 stabilizer solves that issue. I assume 425 would solve it even better.
I personally been using original 42" (105cm) Slingshot mast with extra holes and it's another way to overcome the issue. Alternatively you can shim 330 stabilizer pointing it more down using 1mm washer and it will have similar effect.
Thanks for the tips. I did try other solutions as well. One, bought the 2018 (I believe) micro w/the track really far forward. Two, started riding strapless because I got so tired of fiddling w/the positions. But I will try your suggestions as well.

Quick question on shimming. I tried shimming the fuselage. I assume that is that you mean (shimming down would be a 1mm washer at the foreward bolt, correct?) You don't actually put the shim on the stabilizer?

I've managed to ride the 590, but never have been comfortable on it. Others seem to love it. Hoping to really like that 695 but we shall see...


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