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Foil
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Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
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Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/9mtr/7mtr/6mtr/ 4mtr RRD.
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(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)

Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
quick turnaround,drop me a message, find me on messenger, Colin Moore.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Foil » Wed May 06, 2020 11:29 am

grigorib wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 10:38 pm
Foil wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:43 pm
well look at that!
you do have a different 82cm mast, mine lines up with my 101 mast and it only has 4 mounting holes.

I did get one of the first in the UK, maybe the first production which they have changed slightly, I wonder if the weights differ like the early versions of some of the wings
mine weighs in at exactly 1464 grams, no screws
Mine is 1435 grams without bolts and there’s zero rake on it. If you align it against a wall and measure distance it’ll be exactly same as if you turned it 180 degrees and measured the same
I have had another look at my two Moses masts the 101 an early edition 82 cm mast.
It looks like some 82cm masts will have 6 mounting holes, mine clearly only came with 4, but if I needed to move the mast back more then drilling a few more holes in the mast is feaseable maybe.but my boards tracks go quite far back for any wing combo.

grigorib is right, I was wrong(sorry)the 82cm mast is not canted, it's straight down at 90deg from the base plate, which has the effect of moving the coe further forward slightly, and this amount will differ depending on which length you are comparing it with.
But, and this is where I was convinced they were at the same angle, I found the 82cm mast worked so well in exactly the same position as I have the 101cm mast - 9.5cm from the tail end of the board, (edge of base plate to rear edge of board in my case)
Leaving me another 1cm of rearward space if so needed.

As for the width of both masts, the the width near the top end of both masts (near the M of Moses) is almost the same on both masts, but then the taper on the 101cm mast is a lot more when compared to the 82cm, see photo, making the 82mast appear quite wide near the fuse end, there is still a taper on the 82cm mast but it's only very small and not really visable to the naked eye

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grigorib
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; Ocean Park, PR; SPI; Tawas, MI
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Wed May 06, 2020 12:46 pm

Here’s the mast profile pic
80 Hoverglide - 82 Moses - 91 - 105 - 111
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby gmb13 » Thu May 07, 2020 5:56 pm

Some small wave action with the 679


Foil
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Kiting since: 2000
Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
Groove Skates 110cm 2022 editions
kraken mast systems 103k and 93k.
Kraken fuse 703k
Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/9mtr/7mtr/6mtr/ 4mtr RRD.
Duotone 2022 click bars x2,my own custom made lines fitted,
(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)

Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
quick turnaround,drop me a message, find me on messenger, Colin Moore.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Foil » Thu May 07, 2020 6:06 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 5:56 pm
Some small wave action with the 679

that is a first, well done!
A round the world and 360 combined
at 2min 2 sec
brilliant :thumb:

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Fri May 08, 2020 1:22 am

Rode 425 with 695 today. Worked well!
Mast position with 683s/483 would have been 20-25mm (depending on the mast) further back
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Sun May 10, 2020 3:16 pm

I like how thin pocket boards make whole setup fit in the car nicely
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby a99 » Sun May 10, 2020 4:51 pm

Yes, most important are seatbels:) and rear airbags by the way:)

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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Sun May 10, 2020 6:20 pm

a99 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 4:51 pm
Yes, most important are seatbels:) and rear airbags by the way:)
It’s my precious :)

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Frankieboy » Sun May 10, 2020 7:57 pm

Damw...need to change car now...

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby TomW » Sun May 10, 2020 9:48 pm

I've thinking for years to go up from 90 to 100cm mast. Is it much more difficult ? I'm strong intermediate doing flying foot switches, gybes and heel to toe side tacks (tacks in one direction so far).


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