I'm sure you are correct. I have never been in conditions so light that it makes a difference to where I need to swap stabs. I also found that the smaller the stab, the less drag. So, there becomes an inverse relationship. That same larger stab needed to get on foil with a kite provides added drag and limits top end speed. So, by gaining one attribute you give up on another.geron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:14 pmJoe, I have found that the 483 stab (compared to a smaller race stab like the 421) does improve my lowest wind capabilities with a kite to start foiling. I think it has to do with the surface area that contributes (giving more counter pressure) at the begining (at very slow speed) before there is enough flow in the wings. Also, I think that there is flow in this thicker wing at a lower speed.
But this is kite foiling (which is a very different dynamic than starting with a wing thing)
Yes, I used the 6m swing.. Somehow it feels like my 31" wide gong lemon gives too much drag. Once on foil I have no problem with the 1000 but getting there is a bit of an issuejoekitetime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:07 pmHmmm. For all intents and purposes I do not find the stab contributes to getting on foil, but rather affects the character of the ride.
I have found technique for getting on foil is huge when winging while being lightly powered to underpowered, not so much when powered to overpowered. So, I wouldn't look for a solution in another stab, but possibly technique or a bigger wing. I see you have the 3.5 and 6m swings. That is a big swing! I assume you were on your 6m?
I found the w1000 to be one of the earliest on foil of all foils I tried, so I'd consider another solution rather than different stab.
I have the W1000 with 420 stab but soon the 400.Thijs77 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 amYes, I used the 6m swing.. Somehow it feels like my 31" wide gong lemon gives too much drag. Once on foil I have no problem with the 1000 but getting there is a bit of an issuejoekitetime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:07 pmHmmm. For all intents and purposes I do not find the stab contributes to getting on foil, but rather affects the character of the ride.
I have found technique for getting on foil is huge when winging while being lightly powered to underpowered, not so much when powered to overpowered. So, I wouldn't look for a solution in another stab, but possibly technique or a bigger wing. I see you have the 3.5 and 6m swings. That is a big swing! I assume you were on your 6m?
I found the w1000 to be one of the earliest on foil of all foils I tried, so I'd consider another solution rather than different stab.
Thought perhaps with a quick fix like a thicker stab it could go earlier with my 76 kgs but clearly not..
With the 1100 I get upon foil very easy, just one or two pumps and I'm off
You will love the 1100 especially if you have a smaller stabiliser that the 483 eg 420 in my case.omg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:43 amJust assembled my 1100 and 82cm carbon mast I received a couple days ago. And that thing is rigid! I had Gong 100cm carbon mast but it had fuselage manufacturing error (props to Gong customer service), but even without that issue, the mast was flexy, night and day compared to 82cm Moses. Not sure if it's fair to compare different length masts, but both torsional and length wise there was so much more flex. However, looking at Gong videos they do all kind of tricks with these masts, so flex might not matter much or you get used to it. With Moses, the setup is super rigid.
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