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One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby Zandman » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:47 pm

I need your help in choosing my next kite.

For various reasons, I’d like to have only one kite.*

If the wind is strong (50%) I go with the TT and mainly jump, do some rotations etc (nothing fancy but still slowly improving)
For light winds (50%) I ride a zeeko green (all around freeride wing). I can now ride ok(ish) in straight line but only manage <10% jibes without foot change…
In general, not very talented but I enjoy the process of learning and improving.

Not sure which direction I’d like to progress with the foil, for sure not course racing! carving Drexler style looks nice but also impossible…
Zipping around the coast and enjoying the upwind/downwind freedom with the foil suits me as a plan. Have to improve the turns…
Let’s say my target for now is to ride comfortably various conditions and not fall.

From my TT times I have a 2016 10m Switchblade. I want to gift it with the bar to my brother who is now staring.
At my 90kgs and the local conditions this one or an 11m was spot on. (I enjoy riding the TT lit)
If the wind is medium-light I’m perfect with the Hfoil but if it is lower I have trouble to relaunch it although I could ride it ok… (without the board in my feet - forget it...)
Therefore I would like a kite that relaunches easier and hangs better in light air.

I’m thinking that a modern 3-strut all rounder should be a bit lighter and fit me well.
Probably a bit of a high end sacrifice vs the 5-struts but I will go one size less -> 9m (vs 10/11m)
And now…Oh… There is so much choice…
At least I exclude foil kites because we launch between thorny bushes…
Haven’t tested many 1 strut kites but believe they will not be fun with TT-overpowered (?)

What should I look for , if my ordered wishes are:

-Big wind range
-Light wind relaunch
-Hang in light air
-Jumping performance
-Low end static grunt (meaning easy waterstart with the foil – 90kgs)

Some of the above are fighting each other and for sure compromises have to be done (especially with “jumping performance” in the bill)

I believe a 3 strut medium aspect & light construction.
Like the 3 strut voyager?
Flite was another thought but not sure about relaunch… seems quite thin tips.
Is the moto light enough?

Any help in solving my puzzle appreciated!

-Not having to choose, just pump the one I have
-The second one will melt in the car
-Minimalism as option
-I like the idea that conditions dictate the ride

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby neilhapgood » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:55 pm

I have just invested in my first foil kite, 12m soul and it's very impressive, especially with wind range. My 12m one strut would overpower quickly and didnt hang nearly as well in light wind. I haven't been on it on TT but they are meant to give good hamgtime

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby Foil » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:27 pm

you sound a bit like me,
I went through loads of different kite options but settled on the Ozone Reo.( 3 strut lightweight wave kite, 5 star build quality)
The 12 is great for foil but for the TTip its just good, mainly due to its a little heavy on the bar and can tire you quickly but jumps great.
The 10 is great for the foil and for the TTip, still slightly bar heavy but boosts so well and hangs there, so good.
The 9mtr Reo is divine on the foil, so fluid, quick and light, loops very quickly at the edge of the window when you want less power, very linear power delivery, and here we have one of the best kites for the TTip, perfect boosting machine, massive hang time, do it all with ease.
The 8 and 6mtr are high wind foil kites that excel in all water conditions and requirements, and if its too windy for the foil on the 6mtr then just swap the foil for the Ttip, brilliant!
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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby geron » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:29 pm

I have an 11m rebel and just bought also a 9m (I weigh 90kg); It has grate wind range and eassy relaunch. I do tt (large Nomad wave board) and plan on hidrofoiling with this kites in the next year.

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby Mossy 757 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:55 pm

12m or 15m foil kite. Checks all your boxes except the lowend grunt, which let's be real "hangs in light wind" and "lowend grunt" aren't in the same category.

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby nismo98 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:43 pm

Everything you list you want makes me think 10m Ocean Rodeo flite! Its a 3 strut light wind kite with huge range and boosts huge.

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby junebug » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:39 pm

geron wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:29 pm
I have an 11m rebel and just bought also a 9m (I weigh 90kg); It has grate wind range and eassy relaunch. I do tt (large Nomad wave board) and plan on hidrofoiling with this kites in the next year.
To each his own, but I hate the Rebel for foiling. I love it for twintip boosting, but it has bad drift and, at least the bigger sizes (8m+), it is heavy in the air. I found that, for my riding style, by the time it will hang in the air comfortably, I’m overpowered and want to size down.

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby Breze » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:39 pm

A 90 kg guy uses succesfully his Flysurfer Boost 13 qm at our lake. Relaunches in very light wind because of the backline bridle. Jumps really good with the tt and works in the light wind with foil

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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby airsail » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:52 pm

Ozone Reo 10 mtr, lightweight and ticks most boxes. Will perform better in higher wind ranges than a single strut but still light enough for light wind HF. Or the 10 mtr FS Soul but you have to want a foil kite and kite in a suitable location.
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Re: One kite for old school AND foiling

Postby bragnouff » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:08 pm

I'm puzzled to see people recommending the Reo. It's a great kite, no doubt about it, but when waveriding isn't even part of your listed requirements, the Enduro would fit the bill so much better for all other points. Sorry I don't buy into the "best kite for TTip", it goes against its wave DNA. If you're moslty riding foil and surfboard with the occasional dabbing in the twintip, sure! Otherwise, I'd say go Enduro.
Coming from a switchblade, you would find the Reo pretty twitchy, and I'd assume you would end up some moves with the kite in a part of the window that you don't necessarily expect (nor want).

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