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Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am
by Foil
I bet your #68 board is similar to my #56 in appearance and weight,
My #3 board weighs a silly light 2.26 kg,no straps, and quite thin rails away from the rear,
My #. 56 board weighs in without straps at 2.65 kg, and has much thicker rails,
My go to board at the moment is my thinner board as it feels "easier" to body drag out in challenging sea conditions with onshore big wind and waves,
Both feel the same on the water. Both make me smile when sitting on the beach ready to get wet😎
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Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:27 pm
by Jimmy Mazzanti
francis luengo wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:39 pm
Tom Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:02 am
Thanks for excellent input. Taking into consideration I am just getting started and still have to master flying gibes, I believe the T38/633 will be a good complement to the T40/550 that I ride today.

Only thing I am pondering at the moment is rocker of the T38. Heard tons of good stuff (specifically concerning rocker) about the Groove Skateboard. The T38 (actually custom by Newind) is a veriy different animal, that also seems to work really well :-/

So now just to decide T38 or Skate?....
Skate is the perfect board for 633 ...sure.
Yes and the T38 is the perfect board for ? :thumb:

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:26 pm
by francis luengo
Jimmy Mazzanti wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:27 pm
francis luengo wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:39 pm
Tom Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:02 am
Thanks for excellent input. Taking into consideration I am just getting started and still have to master flying gibes, I believe the T38/633 will be a good complement to the T40/550 that I ride today.

Only thing I am pondering at the moment is rocker of the T38. Heard tons of good stuff (specifically concerning rocker) about the Groove Skateboard. The T38 (actually custom by Newind) is a veriy different animal, that also seems to work really well :-/

So now just to decide T38 or Skate?....
Skate is the perfect board for 633 ...sure.
Yes and the T38 is the perfect board for ? :thumb:
Freeride and fun with the 590 wing . :wink:
I prefer skate for carving and little waves with onda.
I would like to try the T22 with onda.
I have both wings and try them in 130 cm board and 120 cm board and prefer small boards for onda.

:thumb:

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:36 am
by Tom Tom
Foil wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am
I bet your #68 board is similar to my #56 in appearance and weight,
My #3 board weighs a silly light 2.26 kg,no straps, and quite thin rails away from the rear,
My #. 56 board weighs in without straps at 2.65 kg, and has much thicker rails,
My go to board at the moment is my thinner board as it feels "easier" to body drag out in challenging sea conditions with onshore big wind and waves,
Both feel the same on the water. Both make me smile when sitting on the beach ready to get wet😎
Yes, confirmed. Thicker rails and about 2,5kg.

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:40 am
by Tom Tom
francis luengo wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:26 pm
Jimmy Mazzanti wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:27 pm
francis luengo wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Skate is the perfect board for 633 ...sure.
Yes and the T38 is the perfect board for ? :thumb:
Freeride and fun with the 590 wing . :wink:
I prefer skate for carving and little waves with onda.
I would like to try the T22 with onda.
I have both wings and try them in 130 cm board and 120 cm board and prefer small boards for onda.

:thumb:
Well, went with the T38 on the basis of still learning really and need to touch down more than never. Thinking that the trend will be even shorter boards so I will likely add a 85-95 ultra-pocket when I am more confident. Plus it is gorgeous. Plus I have a Moses dealer nearby. Plus, when looking at the feedback on the Skate and communicating with Groove on a possible order perhaps Moses feels like a more sure-bet if there are issues or problems with it. Having said that, the new Carbon Skate looks really really nice.

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 pm
by JayTC
Hello everyone,
Super interesting experts discussion :idea:

If I may jump onboard with a question of mine, I just freshly started foil and got hooked :roll:

I will rent the school foil for one week and the would like to buy something that will last me in the progression curve, if that's possible. :roll:

I was wondering if a T38 with the onda 633 would be ok to learn and improve? Or it's too radical and difficult; hence will disgust me of life :allbegood:
It would mean going with the T38 after just one week of foil

edit : Forgot to mention that I have a decently good level in strapless if that helps

Would be awesome to hear from your T38 experience :D

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:31 pm
by bigwave
JayTC wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 pm
Hello everyone,
Super interesting experts discussion :idea:

If I may jump onboard with a question of mine, I just freshly started foil and got hooked :roll:

I will rent the school foil for one week and the would like to buy something that will last me in the progression curve, if that's possible. :roll:

I was wondering if a T38 with the onda 633 would be ok to learn and improve? Or it's too radical and difficult; hence will disgust me of life :allbegood:
It would mean going with the T38 after just one week of foil

edit : Forgot to mention that I have a decently good level in strapless if that helps

Would be awesome to hear from your T38 experience :D
We have had several customers buy a Moses Onda 633 and T38 as their first foil. We lend them a Slingshot Simulator 5'6" board for a couple sessions. Everyone one has had a positive with this scenario and they are usually riding the T38 in about 3-6 hours.
A couple factor to consider. One, if you are a heavier person , this could be an issue. The T38 is still a small board. Two, turning the board initially will be more difficult. While it is fairly user friendly on touch downs , it requires reasonable footwork right away to assist in on the water turning.
I would go for it. You know your abilities. After a week of learning you should be ready for the T38.

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:16 pm
by JayTC
bigwave wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:31 pm
JayTC wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 pm
Hello everyone,
Super interesting experts discussion :idea:

If I may jump onboard with a question of mine, I just freshly started foil and got hooked :roll:

I will rent the school foil for one week and the would like to buy something that will last me in the progression curve, if that's possible. :roll:

I was wondering if a T38 with the onda 633 would be ok to learn and improve? Or it's too radical and difficult; hence will disgust me of life :allbegood:
It would mean going with the T38 after just one week of foil

edit : Forgot to mention that I have a decently good level in strapless if that helps

Would be awesome to hear from your T38 experience :D
We have had several customers buy a Moses Onda 633 and T38 as their first foil. We lend them a Slingshot Simulator 5'6" board for a couple sessions. Everyone one has had a positive with this scenario and they are usually riding the T38 in about 3-6 hours.
A couple factor to consider. One, if you are a heavier person , this could be an issue. The T38 is still a small board. Two, turning the board initially will be more difficult. While it is fairly user friendly on touch downs , it requires reasonable footwork right away to assist in on the water turning.
I would go for it. You know your abilities. After a week of learning you should be ready for the T38.
Hi BigWave,

Thanks a lot for your super fast answer and explanation.
That sounds awesome! I guess I am a medium rider as I am 80kg / 176 lbs

I am also wondering, would I be better off starting with the 71 vs 91cm mast to start? In the coming month I would be in rather flat places (Brazil :D ) but later on I guess I would anyway invest also on the 91cm to have easier time in more choppy condition (if I understood it correctly from the different posts).

And also since you are experienced on them, is it worth to invest in the T38 ltd with the track system, or the red one is just enough

Again, thank you so much for your awesome input!

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:35 pm
by bigwave
Hi BigWave,

Thanks a lot for your super fast answer and explanation.
That sounds awesome! I guess I am a medium rider as I am 80kg / 176 lbs

I am also wondering, would I be better off starting with the 71 vs 91cm mast to start? In the coming month I would be in rather flat places (Brazil :D ) but later on I guess I would anyway invest also on the 91cm to have easier time in more choppy condition (if I understood it correctly from the different posts).

And also since you are experienced on them, is it worth to invest in the T38 ltd with the track system, or the red one is just enough

Again, thank you so much for your awesome input!
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You are very welcome! The trend in the industry is moving toward shorter masts. I have ridden everything from 60-100cm. Currently ,I use a 71cm Moses. IMO , 80cm is the perfect size(this depends of course on what/where your riding). The longer mast offers advantages, mainly you can go faster(more margin for error) and you can go up wind higher(better angle of attack). For recreational free riding , 60-80 works great.Moses is coming out with an 82cm mast this year which will be awesome!
The RED Moses has been discontinued for the 2020 model year. It will be "replaced" by the T38 Black(with tracks) at the RED price point. The new Moses T38 LTD will be made by Appletree . The current RED T38 offers very good adjustability with through hull mounting. You can use 6 series wings with the rear setting and 5 series wings on the forward setting. The current Black T38 , is more limited to 6 series wings. The track is place more towards the rear and you can only move the foil about an inch or so in the track. Keep in mind I'm talking about use with straps. Strapless, you will get better adjustment.
Good luck with your foiling and keep us posted on your learning curve!

:thumb:

Re: Moses T38 vs T22

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:29 pm
by JayTC
bigwave wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:35 pm
Hi BigWave,

Thanks a lot for your super fast answer and explanation.
That sounds awesome! I guess I am a medium rider as I am 80kg / 176 lbs

I am also wondering, would I be better off starting with the 71 vs 91cm mast to start? In the coming month I would be in rather flat places (Brazil :D ) but later on I guess I would anyway invest also on the 91cm to have easier time in more choppy condition (if I understood it correctly from the different posts).

And also since you are experienced on them, is it worth to invest in the T38 ltd with the track system, or the red one is just enough

Again, thank you so much for your awesome input!
You are very welcome! The trend in the industry is moving toward shorter masts. I have ridden everything from 60-100cm. Currently ,I use a 71cm Moses. IMO , 80cm is the perfect size(this depends of course on what/where your riding). The longer mast offers advantages, mainly you can go faster(more margin for error) and you can go up wind higher(better angle of attack). For recreational free riding , 60-80 works great.Moses is coming out with an 82cm mast this year which will be awesome!
The RED Moses has been discontinued for the 2020 model year. It will be "replaced" by the T38 Black(with tracks) at the RED price point. The new Moses T38 LTD will be made by Appletree . The current RED T38 offers very good adjustability with through hull mounting. You can use 6 series wings with the rear setting and 5 series wings on the forward setting. The current Black T38 , is more limited to 6 series wings. The track is place more towards the rear and you can only move the foil about an inch or so in the track. Keep in mind I'm talking about use with straps. Strapless, you will get better adjustment.
Good luck with your foiling and keep us posted on your learning curve!

:thumb:
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Thank you so much! Really appreciate you have taken the time to explain me all this.
I am super stoked! Had my third day on a 5'6" F-One and could finally ride away to the sunset.

Plus looking at the light wind forecast of the coming 8 days, it's a matter of sanity to invest in a foil :P

I'll keep you guys updated on my learning curve and how it was for me to start on that one.

Thanks a lot for the helping spirit :thumb: