This is a good point, which is why all of the mounts and adapter weights are listed on the website as well. It's hard to keep up with all the weights of various custom parts I make and all the different mast lengths, but I try. An 80cm Project Cedrus (1.1kg) + 140x90 mount (0.34kg) is also around 1.4kg.Foil wrote: just one thing that guys must remember when weighing their masts, the removable base plates weigh a considerable amount, and if your making adaptors for your masts the weight of these is not to be ignored.
I am very open to this topic, and have been honest from day 1 that Project Cedrus was optimized for weight and stiffness, not drag. This approach has served me well, because in the last 3 years there has been a shift in foil design away from race and speed to bigger and slower free ride wings. These wings desperately need stiffer masts for accurate control, which is why my Lift and MFC customers are most happy with what Project Cedrus has to offer. Wing-foiling is also new, which is much slower than kite, and surf and SUP are markets I cannot afford to ignore either. Finally, Project Cedrus thickness and chord length are exactly the same as Axis at 19x120mm, so it's not that far off the industry benchmark.slowboat wrote: Any response to comments online that your masts might be a big draggy due to its dimensions?
Agree with your comment re aluminum masts.BayAreaKite wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 4:11 amThanks Derek440, I took inspiration for Project Cedrus from the cycling industry. I actually have various steel, titanium, and carbon fiber bike frames that are up to 20 years old. I have upgraded wheels, replaced the groupsets 2-3 times, and made small customizations along the way that keep them feeling new and special to me. I've even had one completely re-painted. Of course modern hydraulic disc brakes and thru-axles have dated them, but other than that they are as light and stiff as anything else currently on the market. A mast is the bike frame; it should be light and stiff, and that's all it really needs to do. So I created Project Cedrus to be that investment in gear that could last up to 20 years, even as colors change and wing shapes evolve. Imagine the cycling industry where you needed to buy a new frame if you wanted new wheels, or if a ski brand required you to buy their boots to ride their skis. I actually find the proprietary nature of foils a hindrance to progress and performance. The carbon masts have certainly improved since I started this 3 years ago, but I still see little benefit to them over the aluminum counterparts that now cost 1/4 the price...
R H, did you not visit the website? Project Cedrus is 40% lighter than aluminum masts. It is also stiffer, and works with any wing/board combination. So yes, if the benefits of the product justify its existence and price, I propose to sell it. I would not invest and certainly not attempt to sell a solid carbon mast that is actually HEAVIER than aluminum, in some cases LESS stiff than aluminum, PROPRIETARY to some specific wing combination, and ALWAYS more prone to damage than aluminum... for 4x the price. Please look at the site and all the efforts I've put into this project before the accusatory short-sighted questions. I've for the most part enjoyed the dialogue that's occurred on this forum, but do not find your comment constructive.
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