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Re: starting on duck tack to toeside

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:51 pm

stevez wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:30 pm
OzBungy wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:54 am
The advice to not lean back is good, as far as it goes. But you see Tucker lean way back in every tack. He is centred above the board, but the mast and board are well cranked over.

He does lean back quite hard to initiate the tack, with the knees slightly bent, but then once the board is turning upwind he almost immediately seems to spring up a little and straighten up. So when he goes through the apex he is quite upright and lightly weighted on the foil.

Exactly :thumb:

Also, one can NOT compare this to half a 360, as one can do a really hard lean back 360 also - for me these are easier than "stand upright ones" as I am used to leaning back, especially when doing the 360 up in a steep wave you get horizontal for a while - awesome.

Some do 360s standing very upright (Øyvind and Greg as an example), others lean back as you dont have to stand upright in any part of a hydrofoil 360.

Wish I was better at doing upright direction changes, as this is necessary to go toeside "whenever" you want yes :roll:

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Re: starting on duck tack to toeside

Postby DukeSilver » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:01 pm

I've been learning this move for the last 5 or 6 weeks. I initially started with the intention of learning 360s but the tack was a happy bonus. I actually found the Tucker video really helpful. Good repetition of the move and shots of what the kite is doing during the transition. I found actually watching and copying what he was doing in the video rather than listening to his description of what he is doing was key. He does lean back a bit, and cranks over pretty hard to initiate the carve upwind.

The things I focussed on when learning were -

* Have decent speed going into the move. Beam reaching rather than pointing upwind prior to initiating the tack helped.
* Once the kite is approaching 11, push the bar right out to allow an easier upwind carve.
* Only having my back hand on the bar close to the centre lines throughout the move.
* Once close to halfway through the upwind carve, pull back down on the bar and initiate the kite loop. At the start, I was looping the kite too late, losing the power I needed to ride out of the transition cleanly. Though it felt strange at first, starting the kite loop much earlier was the real game changer that made the biggest difference to success with the tack.

I'm now at the stage where I'm pulling off 70% - 80% of my tack / 360 attempts using my Hyperlink and 50% - 60% when using my smaller tube kites. Just practice and make adjustments if things aren't working and you'll get it in no time.

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Re: starting on duck tack to toeside

Postby oregonkiter » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:52 pm

What really helped me, besides doing 1000's of attempts, is pushing the bar away as far as possible, then sheeting in pretty hard after rotating through the wind. This is not initially intuitive. I got an on the water mini-lesson from a local, who does them by completely letting go of the bar as he rotates through the wind.

I have a stopper on my bar, and slid it several inches farther away. I forced myself to feel the bar hit the stopper before I did my rotation and KEEPING it there. Helped me break the habit of sheeting back in too early.

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Re: starting on duck tack to toeside

Postby tswierkocki » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:03 pm

What helps me with this tack is leaning into my chicken loop line. If my chest is touching my chicken loop line during the tack I normally have a good tack.

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Re: starting on duck tack to toeside

Postby TomW » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:55 pm

Tack and toe to heelside tack are the 2019 project for me...

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