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phlow
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Postby phlow » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:19 pm
I've had mine for going on 9 months now, riding it exclusively several times per week. I'm heavy (100kg) , ride strapless , not jumping. Durability seems great to me, save for the delicate nature of the black paint on rail. I have not noticed any delams, and I love the feel and fun factor with this board.
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Horst Sergio
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Postby Horst Sergio » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:14 am
Dave K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 am
Still, in my humble opinion, tracks always seem to be biased too far forward for these larger wings. Never heard of anyone complaining about lack of mounting options beyond the forward track limits, even on the old 600 sq cm wings of yore! Of course adding some additional front strap mount options helps as well
Here is one of them
If you ride small wings under 600 cm², if you ride faster, if you ride monofoils and especially if you do all together, tracks are always to much backwards.
As I didn't correct position in my order for my skate xs (110 x 40 cm) I had to drill extra holes in the strut plate:
In my other full custom groove, tracks are more foreward
And no option for more forward straps here
But for sure it is good to have those extra long groove tracks even if they are still short to fit all demands and foils.
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lederhosen
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Postby lederhosen » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:55 am
Nice costom board Horst Sergio! Can you post a picture from the front?
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Postby Adventure Logs » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:53 am
Horst Sergio wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:14 am
Dave K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 am
Still, in my humble opinion, tracks always seem to be biased too far forward for these larger wings. Never heard of anyone complaining about lack of mounting options beyond the forward track limits, even on the old 600 sq cm wings of yore! Of course adding some additional front strap mount options helps as well
Here is one of them
If you ride small wings under 600 cm², if you ride faster, if you ride monofoils and especially if you do all together, tracks are always to much backwards.
As I didn't correct position in my order for my skate xs (110 x 40 cm) I had to drill extra holes in the strut plate:
In my other full custom groove, tracks are more foreward
And no option for more forward straps here
But for sure it is good to have those extra long groove tracks even if they are still short to fit all demands and foils.
I just put an order in for a full carbon skate S 110 which I’ll be using primarily with the Moses 633. Should I request the track be further back? I didn’t know this was necessary.
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Foil
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Postby Foil » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:10 pm
All the skates 110/120/130 are perfectly matched for the 633 wing, or any other moses wing, the tracks are long and there are 4 or 5 foot strap screw positions.
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slowboat
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Postby slowboat » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:12 pm
I assume foil is a 633 and the board is a 110. Foot position appears just fine.

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gmb13
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Postby gmb13 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:14 pm
slowboat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:12 pm
I assume foil is a 633 and the board is a 110. Foot position appears just fine.
You assume correctly
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Postby grigorib » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:29 pm
Groove must be getting a kick out of banning distribution of US sporting gear in EU. Whoever owns a SK board owns a fortune in resell value.
That met by misleading advertisement as "Skate" doesn't skate at all, neither on ice nor on concrete - as FTC complaint says. So we might be out of pocket boards as big "sailing" brother is about to push sales of race foilboards.
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Horst Sergio
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Postby Horst Sergio » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:41 pm
lederhosen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:55 am
Nice costom board Horst Sergio! Can you post a picture from the front?
Thanks, I have writen about the boards here:
viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2400958&p=1049700#p1049700
Michele also has some photos online, before my final finishing:
https://www.groovekiteboards.it/ on Instagram
It is 88 x 33 x 9 cm, so far very happy with the result of realising my project very close to 100% and great building quality. Full wet it weights 2,5 kg with 3 straps, which are removeable via klick fasteners in secounds…. more volume than my xs Skate and started in around 10 knts with a 5 m² Peak4 …

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Postby flaps1111 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Communication is challenging with this company, a total mess I think is too much for such a small shaper...a bit desperate after paying everything.
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