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KIT33R wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:35 am

Wazza KiteFoil wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:47 am

KIT33R wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:04 am

Thanks Wazza, I'm on a 90cm mast since it's pretty choppy here on Botany Bay, Sydney. Yes, the 683 is incredibly stable, I'll try it again in lighter winds. I was trimmed right in last time.

Jonsey foils there on a 633 with a 9m foil kite- some would say a nice guy. Hit him up for a ride as it was he who got me onto a Moses and not sorry.

It was Jonseys board I was riding. I'm sure he moved up to a bigger foil!! But I may be wrong. He, with respect, weighs twice as much as me . I'll pick his brain a bit more next time I see him.

Jonsey has a 633 and 590. I foiled his 633 - he does not have a 683.
633 is much bigger wing area than the 683 due to aspect ratio.
I now guessing you foiled his 633.

The Lifts are very well built and super smooth. Consider the 150 for your size.

I like my J Shapes Cruiser, which is about 900cm^2. It starts flying at low speed, great for carving and playing around, stable, but still goes fast enough to be exciting in swell. It's a nice combo with the J Shaped 1m pocket board, which is 2kg, makes it very nimble and quick to turn. The whole setup doesn't weigh much either.
I'm using 5.5m and 8m Drifters.

slowboat wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:56 am

The Lifts are very well built and super smooth. Consider the 150 for your size.

What is the area and span of the Lift 150?

Their homepage says nothing about this, not even what 150 "is"

On the Moses wings the 3 digits it is the span in mm, the area is not given, but one can usually get an idea just by looking at a picture, when you know the span.

On Ketos wings they are labelled so the WaveXL wing is KF575-790, which means 575 mm span and 790 cm2 area.

PF

Peter_Frank wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:15 am

slowboat wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:56 am

The Lifts are very well built and super smooth. Consider the 150 for your size.

What is the area and span of the Lift 150?

Their homepage says nothing about this, not even what 150 "is"

On the Moses wings the 3 digits it is the span in mm, the area is not given, but one can usually get an idea just by looking at a picture, when you know the span.

On Ketos wings they are labelled so the WaveXL wing is KF575-790, which means 575 mm span and 790 cm2 area.

PF

The Lift 150 and 170 refer to surface area in square inches, so approximately 970 and 1100 square cm. They both have 61 cm wingspan and aspect ratios of 3.8 and 3.3 respectively. All one piece so very stiff and light. Wings are thin but not razor thin like others.

What do you think of the numbers and do you think there will be much performance difference between the 150 and 170? Which will turn faster?

slowboat wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 am

Peter_Frank wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:15 am

slowboat wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:56 am

The Lifts are very well built and super smooth. Consider the 150 for your size.

What is the area and span of the Lift 150?

Their homepage says nothing about this, not even what 150 "is"

On the Moses wings the 3 digits it is the span in mm, the area is not given, but one can usually get an idea just by looking at a picture, when you know the span.

On Ketos wings they are labelled so the WaveXL wing is KF575-790, which means 575 mm span and 790 cm2 area.

PF

The Lift 150 and 170 refer to surface area in square inches, so approximately 970 and 1100 square cm. They both have 61 cm wingspan and aspect ratios of 3.8 and 3.3 respectively. All one piece so very stiff and light. Wings are thin but not razor thin like others.

What do you think of the numbers and do you think there will be much performance difference between the 150 and 170? Which will turn faster?

The 150 will be the most agile one, definitely, and go relatively okay upwind too (better than the 170) for such a lively wing.

The 170 will be able to turn even more narrow because of more area, so for surf it could work well, especially if you find the 150 too small.

Just my view if these are the measurements and everything else being quite equal, since you asked.

Both should work well I think, personal liking that will determine which.

PF

KIT33R wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:11 am

I've been kite foiling for 8 months and can consistently do toeside and heelside turns. Changing feet on the water is still only a 60% success rate. I ride a Shinn P foil which is great for learning. I weigh 63 kgs only and are now looking for my next foil for carving on flat water. I rode a friend's Moses 683(?) which was very stable but I could not turn it. Too big for me I think. Can anyone suggest a good carving foil for a lightweight like me who flies 8m and 5m surf kites? I'm 64 years old and not interested in breaking the sound barrier. Thanks in advance.

Hi KIT33R.

I'm 65 kg, 59 yo and have been foiling various foils for 15 months. I currently use a Moses Onda 633 foil on an Axis 125cm minimal volume board and it's by far my favourite. It will stay up on the foil down to walking pace it seems. The kites I use with it are 5m Naish Boxer single strut and 6m & 10m Flysurfer Soul foil kites. If the kite stays in the air I can foil (Disclosure I sell Moses, Naish, Axis & Flysurfer gear). However I sell other gear as well and find this kit really suits my weight and conditions just 2.5 hrs south of you on Jervis Bay.

I don't have trouble turning the 633 but it was a bit challenging holding it down at high speed in high winds where it was inclined to breach, esp toeside. However I figured that the standard 633 setup was designed for an average weight rider of 75-80kg and being much less weight I needed to modify the foil. I made a small shim for the stabiliser to give give less lift to the front wing and now the foil works just perfect for me. I can foil at high speed on choppy water in control, ditto toeside, and it even seemed to loosen the foil even more turning wise. It's great for carving in waves, as that's what it was designed for, but it's not just the foil you need to consider with regard to turning, the length and weight of the board can make the foil seem loose or stiff carving as well.

If you're ever down this way let me know and you can have a go of my setup.

Have fun, Dave 0411 572 725

If you have the Shinn P foil already,have you considered the Shinn K foil?
I am interested because that is my (intended) route.

slowboat wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:56 am

The Lifts are very well built and super smooth. Consider the 150 for your size.

Another vote for Lift. I’m 195 lbs and ride a 150. You could do a 150 or a 130 depending on your preferred riding style. I prefer the quicker turning and slower speeed of the 150.

I have been using for the p foil for 1 year now. End of last year I picked up a k foil and also went from the 145 to the 120 Jackson. I weigh around 160# at the moment. Riding p vs k back to back felt skittish last season so I stuck with the p foil. This season I only used the k foil. So after the winter break without foiling it was a seemless transition. I initially found my balance was off from side to side but easily adjusted after a tack. K foil is so much more maneuverable and quick , at least appears to be faster with less drag. Starting out in light winds was noticeably a little harder but once moving I didn’t notice any stalling or lack of volume/low end. I am using the st2 stabilizer.

I think the most notable change was the shorter board. 145 to 120 just makes turns more snappier. The weight is noticeable. I hope shinn makes a shorter board with more of front end scoop in the future.

So I guess I would get a k foil but definitely get a smaller board too since you already have the shinn hardware