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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby bigwave » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:02 am

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:29 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:50 pm
I still dont get this Bob, USA is still only one out of 195 countries, with a very different way than many others, so location and culture is everything IMO, and one can not broadscast a single country worldwide as being "how it is" :roll:

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I guess that all depends on the size of the country....( I don't live in the US )

I do think the post was generalizing about global numbers.

Personally cant remember the last time I actually saw a wakeboarder with my own eyes, and the only foils I have ever seen have been kite and moth. Doesn't blind me to the relative size of the various markets.


Bob and XL kites state they are privy to global industry data.

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby windmaker » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:18 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:50 pm
I still dont get this Bob, USA is still only one out of 195 countries, with a very different way than many others, so location and culture is everything IMO, and one can not broadscast a single country worldwide as being "how it is" :roll:

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Agreed, perhaps wakeboarding is very big in the Us but Us is not the world. As a kite dealer I have insiders info of the foiling market in the EU and kitefoils are by far outselling all other form of foiling here.

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby grigorib » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:53 pm

So do windsurf foil and surf/SUP foil markets pay off on investments into specific molds and design?
Do they benefit in means of knowledge/R&D/revenue or they're rather a burden?

Are they going to make it as a separate line or they'll be using kite/wake foil material?

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby windmaker » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:30 am

grigorib wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:53 pm
So do windsurf foil and surf/SUP foil markets pay off on investments into specific molds and design?
Do they benefit in means of knowledge/R&D/revenue or they're rather a burden?

Are they going to make it as a separate line or they'll be using kite/wake foil material?
As originally with kite foiling some manufacturers are willing to take the risk with wind and surf foils either because they are passionate or truly believe in them.

And as with kitefoil the rest will not actually develop or make there own wind/surf foils but have them made by someone else and then label them as there latest design which took years to develop :D

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby Cab Driver » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:31 pm

windmaker wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:30 am
grigorib wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:53 pm
So do windsurf foil and surf/SUP foil markets pay off on investments into specific molds and design?
Do they benefit in means of knowledge/R&D/revenue or they're rather a burden?

Are they going to make it as a separate line or they'll be using kite/wake foil material?
As originally with kite foiling some manufacturers are willing to take the risk with wind and surf foils either because they are passionate or truly believe in them.

And as with kitefoil the rest will not actually develop or make there own wind/surf foils but have them made by someone else and then label them as there latest design which took years to develop :D
Consider that a good wing will produce the max lift, lowest drag, highest stability, and optimum speed. Certainly these traits can be extremely similar across different "sports". Really, foiling is the sport and kite, windsurf, sail, wave, boat, and elec. motor are what power it, so it makes sense that the wing technology is shared across sports and works quite well. In some cases, for example windsurfing, they aren't using the 4-bolt plate widely, so there are some changes to fuselage lengths to accommodate COE in the correct position for balance as well as stiffness of the mast to accommodate the high loads.

I don't find anything wrong with outsourcing wing design as it makes sense to put the best possible product in the market. Crowdsourcing or contract design is nothing new and makes sense when measured against the cost to have a full time expert on staff to design foils, or taking another designer's time on staff to engineer these foils. Anyway, there is a lot more that goes into bringing a product to market than a contractor just dropping off a "finished" product at the door step of the brand. Brands have testers and product managers that make sure the product meets the design brief specs, and that it's able to be manufactured efficiently and with high quality tolerance. This isn't easy in small batch manufacturing such as we see in wake, windsurf, kitesurf, and surfing.

The bottom line... the risk is worth it.

Great questions.

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Re: Who are the foilers?

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Looking at development, kiteboarding, racing in particular was the catalyst for pretty much all the other branches. The French did the lions share of the work. We all owe them thanks. Foiling would not be a surf discipline if it hadn't been for them. Laird was foiling waves way before it caught fire in kite racing and it never went anywhere on the surf side. Only after the French cracked the formula and brought us fast stable foils you could ride strapless did anyone else even take notice.
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