Hi Ronnie,ronnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:28 amMy guess is that it would be a useful feature if a wing would hover when on a nose leash. That would mean that you could expect to let the wing go when falling and it would naturally hover on the leash until you sorted yourself and the board out.
Horst suggested that yaw is possibly an issue with a wing, so the 'boom' might need an extension for a wing with dihedral to hover well.
Hi Horst,Horst Sergio wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:54 pmHi Ronnie,ronnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:28 amMy guess is that it would be a useful feature if a wing would hover when on a nose leash. That would mean that you could expect to let the wing go when falling and it would naturally hover on the leash until you sorted yourself and the board out.
Horst suggested that yaw is possibly an issue with a wing, so the 'boom' might need an extension for a wing with dihedral to hover well.
it is yaw which you have under control when holding with two Hands, but roll that is just controlled indirect by yaw as you have no controlled lever for roll, pretty much like on a foilboard. In theory it will hang on a nose line, but in practice of turbulent surface wind especially inbetween waves it will roll and dip in the drink, with one and the other tip, which could cause it to flip over in the worst case. But I would expect that the new inflatables are here already much better than my old kitewing with heavy alu frame and therefore high momentum of inertia you had to fight against, especially on land when a gust pigs up the upper wing tip it allways rolles up and ditches with down tip into ground -> catapult, but as I said should be much better with the lighter inflatables. Even worse when the alu frame flies back towards you on the leash, felt scary in high winds and also rigging was terible, so many problems already solved with those inflatables.
I also could imagine the duotones with a boom stick are more direct and compfortable to controll in yaw then the one with just soft straps. Tried also that inflatabel windsurf wing and the biggest issue appart from all the softness has been those soft straps. Also like the idea of the slingshot wing (with Lobos) combined with a paddle even if not sure if worth on the end.
On the end most interesting: Who will come up first and who will come up first with a functional product, which experience shows need not to be the same.
Sorry about your tennis elbow. I battled that for months too, and PRP(platlet Rich plasma) helped.ronnie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:12 amThanks for the feedback.Jfoil wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:53 pmI rode the 2,3,4 foilwings on a fanatic 2000 hydrofoil. I first learned to ride it in flat water beam reaches, then advanced to 6-9 mile downwind Maui runs. I absolutely love it, and didn’t want to give it back to Ken Winner, the designer. I feel free like a bird flying. I’m a 125lb female non-pro athlete and have no problem without a harness. Downwind the wind holds it for you basically. I used to SUP downwind (non-competitive) and hurt my shoulder paddling, so for me I am stoked to be able to downwind again. It’s so much easier and more fun than with a paddle. You can luff it and use the waves, and when you wallow, pull in a little on the wing and overcome that. I think it is going to be a success now because it is inflatable, light weight(3lbs), portable, and big surf foils need such little pump to get foiling. I will see if I can post a video. I will always love kiting waves but this is a nice way to get away from crowds and have fun.
I have been recovering from tennis elbow over the last 4 or 5 months and the Wing does look like it could be a tennis elbow risk if you are gripping it hard and resisting torque from the wing trying to rotate the bar from side to side. Do you grip the bar to resist torque or can you just hook your grip onto it and it has enough stability to let you relax and let it sort itself out?
You mention going upwind on it - can you explain how that works in a bit more detail? How long is the mast? How wide is the board? What foil works, and I guess there is a trade off between what gear rides waves well and what goes upwind well?
Thanks for the additional info - very few people have used this wing as yet.Jfoil wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:41 pmSorry about your tennis elbow. I battled that for months too, and PRP(platlet Rich plasma) helped.ronnie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:12 amThanks for the feedback.Jfoil wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:53 pmI rode the 2,3,4 foilwings on a fanatic 2000 hydrofoil. I first learned to ride it in flat water beam reaches, then advanced to 6-9 mile downwind Maui runs. I absolutely love it, and didn’t want to give it back to Ken Winner, the designer. I feel free like a bird flying. I’m a 125lb female non-pro athlete and have no problem without a harness. Downwind the wind holds it for you basically. I used to SUP downwind (non-competitive) and hurt my shoulder paddling, so for me I am stoked to be able to downwind again. It’s so much easier and more fun than with a paddle. You can luff it and use the waves, and when you wallow, pull in a little on the wing and overcome that. I think it is going to be a success now because it is inflatable, light weight(3lbs), portable, and big surf foils need such little pump to get foiling. I will see if I can post a video. I will always love kiting waves but this is a nice way to get away from crowds and have fun.
I have been recovering from tennis elbow over the last 4 or 5 months and the Wing does look like it could be a tennis elbow risk if you are gripping it hard and resisting torque from the wing trying to rotate the bar from side to side. Do you grip the bar to resist torque or can you just hook your grip onto it and it has enough stability to let you relax and let it sort itself out?
You mention going upwind on it - can you explain how that works in a bit more detail? How long is the mast? How wide is the board? What foil works, and I guess there is a trade off between what gear rides waves well and what goes upwind well?
In terms of how it affects the elbow, I would say I don’t get much arm or elbow load going downwind. My thighs get worked most, from pumping and controlling the foil on waves. The over-foiling FALLS from a wave lifting me, are the hardest on my body. If I had stronger legs I would be able to use the wing less, only for assist, and leg pump more. I’m a 47 a old female, non pro athlete so it’s not hard to be in better shape than me.
Going upwind is easy, just pull in a little to get on the foil. Upwind has the most load on the arms and shoulders and I didn’t consider any on the elbow. More shoulder. I’m still learning upwind, but I prefer being out in the ocean riding trade wind swell, so I am not really going upwind much. Alan Cadiz likes to do that, and he is looking at some harness ideas for more upwind stuff. I tried downwind with a spreader bar and did not need it for downwind.
I have been using the 6ft11” fanatic foil board but it’s way bigger than I need, but was all I had available to try on. It’s a much bigger board than Alan, and I am not as good of an athlete, so I can climb on and rest the wing on the board, or it can flag on the leash and then sit on my knees. When I feel enough power in the wing I get up on my back leg kinda like water starting but on the board.
One thing that is nice for me, if it’s a wind shadow or not windy, I can rest the wing end on the board and use it kneeling to get into the stronger wind or lay it down and prone paddle. I also have a stable enough board to stand so if the wind dies I can slog along to where I want to go standing. I have had times where I can’t relaunch a kite and have to swim in, and I don’t have that concern with the wing.
I’m afraid to post a video of kooky me because this forum seems brutal. I’m not a Ken, Jeffrey, or Alan or Sky.
It’s all so new, so I’m sure new ideas will just make it easier and more fun. Kiting is still wonderful, but I have done it for 14 years now so this is fun to play with too. Hope you heal quick.
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