The idea isn't new. This is Flash Austin with his wing idea a few years back.
It seems to me that the wing is not trying to compete with a kite or sail. I think it is competing with a paddle.jumptheshark wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:00 pmThis was where this concept started...… back in 1986ish. From what I can see, it was way better with the mast. Nothing since has looked very impressive.
You see people like Sky, or Kristin or Mitu putting along on the latest version and compare it to what any of those people are capable of with a kite and it makes the wing look laughable.
It's not just how it looks. Anything new can look awkward at first and still catch on and evolve if it has inherent advantages. Foiling for instance. When I first saw racers all hunched over rocketing in straight lines, I thought..... never, but even with that thought, I knew it would take over racing. The inherent improvement in speed over choppy conditions, the angles upwind, the efficiency in low wind, all added up to an undeniably better race craft. Quite clearly it has evolved to be a great wave riding, light wind, and carving tool too and has exploded across disciplines.
There is none of that in this wing. From what I can see each and every time it comes around. There is no inherent improvement on what we are already doing.
Am I missing something?
But wouldn't a small little kite in a stuff sack that you can just attach short lines to your paddle compete for the same market? I'm not saying everyone should just kite. I'm saying there is a better adaptation in the kite sphere than that thing. A little kite, paddle as the bar, mouth inflate a LE for flotation, enough bridle for stability, super delta for easy relaunch/stability in flight and you have a better upwind angle than that wing, and likely a smaller pack down. No need for harness, and it keeps the sail just far enough away to not be a rig right in yo face.ronnie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:29 pm
It seems to me that the wing is not trying to compete with a kite or sail. I think it is competing with a paddle.
Part of foiling is to ride waves on a foil using a paddle. The wing replaces the paddle if there is enough wind.
Many places only get waves generated by local wind, and there is therefore likely to be wind around (maybe travelling in a similar direction to the waves).
For those conditions (and downwinders), it is difficult or impossible to paddle back upwind to catch another wave.
It could be used for those things, but again - there might be be other better options. There already is an iRig.tmcfarla wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:53 pmI think it depends on price and how easy they can make it. If they sell it cheap, and it isn’t too hard to learn, I can definitely see getting one so non-kiting friends could come to the beach with me.
There seems to be this progression of price in sports: windsurfers were (I’m told) relatively cheap when they came out, and a competent sailer could hop on one and figure it out quickly, then the industry moved to crazy high prices and performance gear, and that is what opened up kiting so much- it just seemed so down-to-earth relative to windsurfing- sure it was a bit harder to learn, but you didn’t need an rv to get your gear around. Kiting has now followed into high prices and performance gear, and it is was always too difficult to just hand a kite to someone to figure out.
A really simple, cheap sailboat doesn’t have to perform well to be awesome, it just has to work enough. maybe this will be it. If I could give this to my wife or a friend to sup with while I kited, I’d buy one in a heartbeat.
Sky is an expert wave rider, kiter, foiler, so I would expect that they have considered if a kite can do what they were aiming at better than the wing? They had to go to quite a bit of effort to develop the wing, and they are very established in kite development and production.jumptheshark wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:18 pmBut wouldn't a small little kite in a stuff sack that you can just attach short lines to your paddle compete for the same market? I'm not saying everyone should just kite. I'm saying there is a better adaptation in the kite sphere than that thing. A little kite, paddle as the bar, mouth inflate a LE for flotation, enough bridle for stability, super delta for easy relaunch/stability in flight and you have a better upwind angle than that wing, and likely a smaller pack down. No need for harness, and it keeps the sail just far enough away to not be a rig right in yo face.ronnie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:29 pm
It seems to me that the wing is not trying to compete with a kite or sail. I think it is competing with a paddle.
Part of foiling is to ride waves on a foil using a paddle. The wing replaces the paddle if there is enough wind.
Many places only get waves generated by local wind, and there is therefore likely to be wind around (maybe travelling in a similar direction to the waves).
For those conditions (and downwinders), it is difficult or impossible to paddle back upwind to catch another wave.
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