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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Simoneterra » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:48 pm

mar menor wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:58 pm
Was my original post...once I could foil I didn't like the Solo , for me 'too grunty and heavy.Much prefer the PLKB synergy and Ozone Alpha. The new versions may be better
I think ur quiver was the problem. If u compare the official given range of the two kites u owned, u will see they are very close! Too close. With a large Hydrofoil, like my gong surf m, the 12 is very often too much. I own 12 a rrd emotion one strut (i have not it with me where i am now). It's good with 7 knots, but as soon as i ride and the Wind increase a little i get overpowered for strapless riding. The 10.5 is the biggest I'd buy, now that i know it. But my favourite sizes are 9 and 6. And already with my old heaviest switch element i could ride in very light wind. And dont really believe the solo is that heavy like someone says. But as soon as i can test it I'll let you all know. I have asked here because i wanted a confirmation of what i belive. 8-9 knots should be the right low-end of my setup. Of course i will need one or two loop to stand up, but once riding the 2 struts missing should help my downwind and that's enough.

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby wallydog » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:43 am

Looking forward to someones real test of the latest generation Solo. I did not like the previous versions agreeing with most criticism. Heavy and slow. Lots of changes on the newest model so please post your opinions. Should be a runner in the current single strut kite offerings.

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby UKSurf » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:35 pm

Gong make a great strutless kite for lightwind hydrofoiling (which is available in Europe unlike the BRM Cloud). Will stay in the air in about 4 knots. It is very specialist however and will get overpowered in 13/14 knots for a 12m. Massive grunt and great drift would probably get a light weight rider up and foiling in 6 knots with a big foil. (I am not affiliated with Gong just purchased one at a great price and it has revolutionized my lightwind hydrofoiling)
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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Simoneterra » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:42 pm

UKSurf wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:35 pm
Gong make a great strutless kite for lightwind hydrofoiling (which is available in Europe unlike the BRM Cloud). Will stay in the air in about 4 knots. It is very specialist however and will get overpowered in 13/14 knots for a 12m. Massive grunt and great drift would probably get a light weight rider up and foiling in 6 knots with a big foil. (I am not affiliated with Gong just purchased one at a great price and it has revolutionized my lightwind hydrofoiling)
Gong is a great brand. My gong Hydrofoil gave me a lot of satisfaction last season and can't wait to go back on it. But as kite i always am sceptic about windrange and relaunch of strutless kite. I was very interested in the gong unik and almost buying it, then i found a better offer for a brand new solov3 9m, and the money has chosen the cheapest. But i have the feeling those kite: solo v3 and gong unik are pretty similar. Anyone experienced the comparison?
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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby UKSurf » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:55 pm

Simoneterra wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:42 pm
UKSurf wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:35 pm
Gong make a great strutless kite for lightwind hydrofoiling (which is available in Europe unlike the BRM Cloud). Will stay in the air in about 4 knots. It is very specialist however and will get overpowered in 13/14 knots for a 12m. Massive grunt and great drift would probably get a light weight rider up and foiling in 6 knots with a big foil. (I am not affiliated with Gong just purchased one at a great price and it has revolutionized my lightwind hydrofoiling)
Gong is a great brand. My gong Hydrofoil gave me a lot of satisfaction last season and can't wait to go back on it. But as kite i always am sceptic about windrange and relaunch of strutless kite. I was very interested in the gong unik and almost buying it, then i found a better offer for a brand new solov3 9m, and the money has chosen the cheapest. But i have the feeling those kite: solo v3 and gong unik are pretty similar. Anyone experienced the comparison?
I would say if you want a light wind hydrofoil kite is is great but yes it does have a very limited wind range. Key points on the strutless are:

1) Probably best light wind performance outside of a foil kite. I have had my kite stay in the air when a north mono fell out the sky.

2) The lightwind perfomance also means it allows you to drift downwind in lightwinds without falling out the sky in light winds especially on a large foil

3) Great grunt to get you up and going in light winds, but this also means it will get over powered quickly.

4) Relaunch is surprisingly good, probably better than a foil kite in similar light winds.

If you are really looking for a Force 3 hydrofoil kite I would say a strutless is the way to go, but it will have limited use. It is a cheap alternative to a foil kite. If you want something to use in a force 4 with say a surfboard then a monostrut is probably better.
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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Simoneterra » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:35 pm

Probably my rrd emotion 1 strut 12m should be changed into a gong strutless. That would give maybe a couple of knots in the low end. But the 9 m is the perfect size, working from Hydrofoil in the lowest end, to the surfboard, even to the twintip, if i ever should wish to ride it again.
I had before a old switch element v2, 3 strut, a bit heavy but flying and relaunching awesome. My wish was to get a kite lighter to enjoy more the downwind, and not to loose performances like relaunch.
I think the solo match my wish, the upper end range is not a problem cause I'll be happy to switch into reo 6m, whatever i am riding, Hydrofoil or surfboard.
What it really wish to know is the lowend of my solo 9, on my hf gong M. 'Cause the 12 is not with me and the 9 is the biggest i have, where i am now . I mean: c'mon,
I have friends ridin hf with a peak 8m into embarrassing wind speed. I hope the grunt of the solo can take me up in at least 8/9 knots, allowing me to ride.

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Trent hink » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:55 pm

Peak4 8 meter is a bigger kite. It gets better low-end than my LF solo 9 v2... a couple of knots lower. And it turns better and its easier to keep in the air.

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Simoneterra » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:02 pm

Trent hink wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:55 pm
Peak4 8 meter is a bigger kite. It gets better low-end than my LF solo 9 v2... a couple of knots lower. And it turns better and its easier to keep in the air.
If it's really like that I'm very happy! I have seen peak 8 in 5- 6 knots! What do u think about the lowend of the 9m?

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby Trent hink » Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:21 am

If I comment on what I think the wind range really is, I'll probably scare you off.

My experience it that the peak4 8meter works really well in 10 knots, and maybe it works well in 9.5-9 knots if you have the right gear and good skills.

I'm quite sure that the solo v2 9 meter works ok in about 2 knots less than what the peak4 8 meter works in, because I have spent many hours with both.

At the extreme low end, the solo v2 9 is turning slow and takes a bit of finesse to use, it probably won't relaunch, but it does work ok once you can get going. I've actually spent more time swimming in with the solo than I have with the peak.

I got the peak because I saw other riders using it, and in my local conditions I really needed the extra 2 knots on the low end. On the extreme low end, the peak 8m does turn better and does stay in the air much better than the solo v2 9m

Don't get me wrong, V2 Solo is a great kite. Sorry I can't comment on the v3.

I think the Solo is really underrated.

Best thing about the Solo is that it does everything reasonably well. It has tons of power for the size, and on twin tip or surfboard I've been riding the 9 when others are on 12s, and the 6.5 when others are on 8s. Its good for hydrofoiling. It's not a wave kite, but it drifts pretty well. It's not a freestyle kite but it jumps pretty well.

Jack of all trades is master of none, I guess, but the v2is a really good kite. I had a great session on the 6.5 and my old Slingshot Space Pickle just yesterday.

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Re: Liquid force Solo windrange

Postby UKSurf » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:13 am

Simoneterra wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:35 pm
Probably my rrd emotion 1 strut 12m should be changed into a gong strutless. That would give maybe a couple of knots in the low end. But the 9 m is the perfect size, working from Hydrofoil in the lowest end, to the surfboard, even to the twintip, if i ever should wish to ride it again.
If you do alot of riding in light winds (7-10 knots with lulls of 4/5 knots) then I would say a strutless is the way to go unless you want to get a foil kite. If it is something you only do once in a while probably get a Mono strut it has a wider wind range. Where strutless really excel is they wont fall out the sky when a mono strut will - meaning a long swim.


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