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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby bragnouff » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:15 pm

Kamikuza wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 am
cglazier wrote:
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Reports are that a 5m wing works in 8 knots of wind. Th
I'm highly skeptical about what their definition of "works" may be...
Maybe we're talking about Hawaiian knots!
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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby Slappysan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:47 am

bragnouff wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:15 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 am
cglazier wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:50 am
Reports are that a 5m wing works in 8 knots of wind. Th
I'm highly skeptical about what their definition of "works" may be...
Maybe we're talking about Hawaiian knots!
They probably are to be honest.

I'll bet you when they say 8 knots they mean 8 knots with 5 foot @ 14 sec swell which is hardly the same as 8 knots in flat water.

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:22 am

Slappysan wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:47 am
bragnouff wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:15 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 am

I'm highly skeptical about what their definition of "works" may be...
Maybe we're talking about Hawaiian knots!
They probably are to be honest.

I'll bet you when they say 8 knots they mean 8 knots with 5 foot @ 14 sec swell which is hardly the same as 8 knots in flat water.
... is that better or worse?

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:27 am

nothing2seehere wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 am
cglazier wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:50 am
Reports are that a 5m wing works in 8 knots of wind. Th
I'm highly skeptical about what their definition of "works" may be...

The Kitewing on concrete with hockey skates needed a good stiff blow ... if I had to, I'd have to guess 12 to 15 knots was a pretty sedate session.
Bear in mind that Robbie used a 4.7m sail to film a load of promo material for the windfoil videos (and he was talking similarly low wind strengths in that). Based on that it doesn't seem unlikely. Remember that he's not a heavy guy either.
Water conditions like that on the lake here start at 12 knots...

No whitecaps, no kiting. No regular kiting anyways.

How much speed do you need to get the SUP to foil? Might be a "trick" or the gear... Black magic, them foil things.

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby nothing2seehere » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:39 am

Kamikuza wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:27 am
nothing2seehere wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 am

I'm highly skeptical about what their definition of "works" may be...

The Kitewing on concrete with hockey skates needed a good stiff blow ... if I had to, I'd have to guess 12 to 15 knots was a pretty sedate session.
Bear in mind that Robbie used a 4.7m sail to film a load of promo material for the windfoil videos (and he was talking similarly low wind strengths in that). Based on that it doesn't seem unlikely. Remember that he's not a heavy guy either.
Water conditions like that on the lake here start at 12 knots...

No whitecaps, no kiting. No regular kiting anyways.

How much speed do you need to get the SUP to foil? Might be a "trick" or the gear... Black magic, them foil things.
I suspect that to get to that headline bottom end you need helpful ocean swell to give you a little momentum to be able to pump the foil up. I remember the brand reps for some of the windfoil kit claiming they could get going in 5 knots with a big race sail. It intuitively feels like you would have more leverage to pump a windsurf sail but in both cases you are right that its headline figures rather than expected usage figures.

A bit like wind charts from certain manufacturers. You might be able to get going in that bottom end but its more get you back to the beach wind than start your session wind.

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby ronnie » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:22 am

The Ozone wing.

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby ronnie » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:58 pm

nothing2seehere wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:39 am
Kamikuza wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:27 am
nothing2seehere wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 pm


Bear in mind that Robbie used a 4.7m sail to film a load of promo material for the windfoil videos (and he was talking similarly low wind strengths in that). Based on that it doesn't seem unlikely. Remember that he's not a heavy guy either.
Water conditions like that on the lake here start at 12 knots...

No whitecaps, no kiting. No regular kiting anyways.

How much speed do you need to get the SUP to foil? Might be a "trick" or the gear... Black magic, them foil things.
I suspect that to get to that headline bottom end you need helpful ocean swell to give you a little momentum to be able to pump the foil up. I remember the brand reps for some of the windfoil kit claiming they could get going in 5 knots with a big race sail. It intuitively feels like you would have more leverage to pump a windsurf sail but in both cases you are right that its headline figures rather than expected usage figures.

A bit like wind charts from certain manufacturers. You might be able to get going in that bottom end but its more get you back to the beach wind than start your session wind.
They had some Olympic windfoilers racing in New Zealand recently and they say they can get the foil flying in 5 knots and run races in 6 knots (9m sail and 900 sq cm front wing) - but presumably that would have to be a pretty steady 6 knots.
Kiran Badloe (white helmet) drops his board in the water to avoid jumping the start but makes a good comeback.
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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:01 pm

I think those sails are bigger than the kites

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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby ronnie » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:23 pm

Kamikuza wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:01 pm
I think those sails are bigger than the kites
Yes they use 9m for the men and 8m for the women. That seems to be the likely sizes for the Olympics - though they might switch to a 1000 sq cm front wing. They say the men can race in from 6 knots of wind to 25 knots on the 900 sq cm wing and 9m.

This is a 1349cm wing on an 86 litre board with a 4.5m sail - he estimates the wind at less than 10 knots.


I haven't seen a serious experiment to pump a big foil to flying with a small sail to prove the wind strength needed.
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Re: The Naish Wing-Surfer

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Nothing validates kite more than the rise of foiling. Watching others foiling endeavors in comparable conditions it's all just so clear.
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