60 cm will work well for learning on, however the wing choice will be more important as you progress to keep you smiling,Kiterisland wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:35 amSry to bring up an old post. I bought an older h2 foil with 24” (61cm) mast. This will be my first foil and I am 225lbs. Will the 24” mast be good enough for me for the first season of learning and goofing around. Hopefully being able to tack by the end of the season. I’m on the Great Lakes and will only be using it in well under 20kts more like 8-15. Hoping it will be ok but want to know if it’s already worth buying a long mast. Thanks
Matteo V wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:44 pmI have a friend (about 85kg) that is talking about getting a foil of the size I want to upgrade to. I need a bigger wing as I am 100+kg (my only current foil is the original LF Foilfish. So this is my opportunity to try a bigger wing in local conditions. But I want him go get the right setup as he also intends to try to windsurf it, or possibly try to paddle surf it.
The larger surf/windsurf Naish foils come with a 55cm mast. But their kite foil comes with a 90cm. Personally, I do not like short masts less than 85cm because of wind waves and boat chop. But my hydrofoil experience is mostly limited to kitefoiling.
Any reason that you would not want a larger mast for surf/windsurf? Or rather, if you had one mast length choice for a wing you were going to use across all sports, what would it be? Long, or short?
Honestly I can't remember who I was referring to the spring on that one. But since the spring, I have been looking at other foils, and have talked to a lot of people and even some manufacturer's reps/team Riders.
Still seems like you're indicating to me that is shorter mast gives you much more control with the only sacrifice being that you have to have very fine control over your height over the water.jakemoore wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:01 pmI'm riding 70 and 100.
100 for practicing 360, tack, footswitch, cranking over and leaning upwind.
70 for surf and jumps. I would not say the short mast is "needed" but I like it. Maybe I would like 80cm better to make some kitefoil moves easier, but I'm pretty happy where I'm at.
With 70 you learn to ride low to avoid ventilation. You will touch down and need a board that lets you touch down without drag or stuffing the nose. Check the Ketos pocket boards or the Groove Surf Pocket for the right idea in a board. Remember: we surfed waves with the board always on the wave before foiling. If you judge the experience based on never touching or have a board that punishes touchdowns than you won't like a shorter mast. If you have the right board and a wave licks the bottom of your board it won't bother you.
Advantages of a smaller mast: Access to shallower water where the break is. More reactive for turns. Less likely to have a violent pitchpole experience. Ventilations easier to recover and can become jumps. Board is closer to the wave so you are not riding on stilts. Foil is closer to the surface so you feel the energy.
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