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Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 7:08 pm
by overratedscurvy
Looking to invest in my first race foil. Committed to get into racing. I learned all the tacks and gybes on my median aspect wing with 101 mast. Ready for a race setup. I already have a Levitaz raze board with a plate mount. So Im limited to plate foils like Levitaz bionic and Moses comet. Those are the 2 I’m most interested in but open to other recommendations. I want to get the best one. I don’t want to invest and grow out of whatever race foil I choose. Moses seems a bit cheaper. Levitaz seems more used in the race tour. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Also advice on new vs used race foils...

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:36 pm
by jakemoore
Plate to Tuttle adapters open options for you.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:22 pm
by tkaraszewski
> I don’t want to invest and grow out of whatever race foil I choose.

But you're going to limit your foil choices based on your existing board?

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 4:17 am
by overratedscurvy
Definitely great points. Have been considering Tuttle adapters. Anybody have brand preferences for adapters? Also realize I will one day grow out of the foil of choice. Just tryna wean out comments suggesting more beginner high aspect foils.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:48 pm
by Slyde
I think this is the wrong forum for you. There dont seem to be many racers frequent these pages. It all depends on how committed you are to push it to the top. You could ask your question on the kiteracing facebook page or the kiteracing2hand facebook page. There may be someone answers thats near you that wants to sell or will let you demo a race setup. From what people who have ridden them tell me the Levitaz has alot of front foot pressure, but maybe they have moved on in the development since then. The Moses is said to be very comfortable at speed so you can push it hard. I think thats how it is with the top stuff now - a foil that has neutral lift that you can load the hell out of and not worry that its gonna pop out of the water on you.
There are some guys who post on the kiteracing page that have ridden just about everything there is and could give good advice.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 1:17 am
by davesails7
Moses comets are a good deal used ($1200) and pretty fast. I think used is the only reasonable way to go. Race gear loses its value so fast. Unless you are at the top, you dont need new gear.

I've never ridden either myself, but I've talked to someone who had both the comet and bionic. (For what it's worth he rides Delta now). He said levitaz bionic was OK once he upgraded to the new larger stabilizer. He really didnt like the bionic with the old small gull wing stabilizer. He preferred the comet over the bionic though.

Neither the moses or the levitaz are at the top anymore, but the comet seems like a pretty good race foil. I heard 2018 comet was a big improvement over 2017. 2018 was a different three digit number for the wing, but not sure what the numbers are.

I dont think you can add a Tuttle to plate adapter to just any race hydrofoil. It makes the span longer and can cause stiffness issues. The adapter makes the top part of the mast stiff, but you still are creating a longer span of 10-15 cm.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:04 am
by bigcane
I own the the 2018 Comet and also owned the 2017 Comet previously. The 2018 wings are a big improvement over 2017, very easy to ride and push hard. I think the Comet is plenty fast enough for the weekend racer. I also tried the Levitaz with the small tail wing and long fuse, it was fast but I felt out of control. Never tried it with the bigger back wing though.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 9:43 am
by airsail
The Bionic with the larger rear stab is much easier to ride. I bought one secondhand with the old gul wing, very hard to ride. The new rear stab makes it a pleasure to ride, though the short race fuselage is a challenge to start with but it gets through chop so easily.
The Comet has an alloy fuselage, the Levitaz stainless, no corrosion. The new Levitaz fuselages have been slimmed down dropping the weight from a hefty 1.2 kgs to around 800gms.
Levitaz did a great deal on the upgrade, just drop them an email.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:54 am
by Horst Sergio
Hi overratedscurvy,

I think as long you're not expecting to compete in the gold fleet inbetween worlds best 10 racers who train nearly every day, during the next 1-2 years ...
I don't expect you have to worry about that you will grow out of the named foils. I think if it will be more the opposite. At least for me it takes about 1/2 a year (50 sessions) to step from a median aspect wing to a freerace and then again the same up to the old Levitaz bionic to regain a acceptable quote of jibes and tacks. But anyway I was always far away to compete in racing ...
In my eyes, if you already have levitaz stuff it can make sense to buy something compatible. But also the Comet I tried is for sure a great race foil, with the benefit to be lighter, so just take the best offer you can find and don't worry, both will be great foils, which I wouldn't expect you will ever outgrow.

Re: Levitaz bionic vs Moses Comet?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 4:17 pm
by Mossy 757