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trod27 wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 3:16 am

Thanks Grig.
makes sense on shorter fuse.
If I try 683 where would you put mast track?
All the way back?

trod27 wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 3:16 am

Thanks Grig.
makes sense on shorter fuse.
If I try 683 where would you put mast track?
All the way back?

trod27 wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 11:46 pm

Update –
633 - Rode 2 hours on 633 with mast all the way back. Feels great. I think this is a good setup, maybe too early to fully review, but it rides like old 633 set up. I think the 450 gives it a looser feel which made for a good experience. The only thing that I have to note is feet position seems to be less forgiving. Not a bad thing but there is maybe +/- 1” area, where the 749 was more like 2”. Also it does float on its side 80% of the time. Sometimes it will foil down and act normal. Overall I like this as it does not get away from you as fast.
683s – Sweet ride. I get it now. I probably will ride this more now. Also rode in same spot with mast all the way back. Also I think it does not float on side

grigorib wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 2:59 am

On the 749 you had mast all the way back but 710 has mast only 13mm forward (0.5”), so I’d say 1.5” move you made initially was too aggressive.
Also the stabilizer sits closer to the mast so it will also eat away from those 13mm - basically consider both wing and stabilizer being moved closer to the mast.

The 683s will make you consider 633 obsolete for kiting. They have lowend beyond what I could detect and both don’t stall at extreme low speeds. But 683s flies faster and feels faster being thinner wing.
After riding 683s for two weeks I started thinking that 633/790/873 are rather truly surfing wings. They’d work with a kite but feel slow, especially in an open water where you can ride further out without need to turn back

flaps1111 wrote: ↑

Thu May 23, 2019 11:45 am

grigorib wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 2:59 am

On the 749 you had mast all the way back but 710 has mast only 13mm forward (0.5”), so I’d say 1.5” move you made initially was too aggressive.
Also the stabilizer sits closer to the mast so it will also eat away from those 13mm - basically consider both wing and stabilizer being moved closer to the mast.

The 683s will make you consider 633 obsolete for kiting. They have lowend beyond what I could detect and both don’t stall at extreme low speeds. But 683s flies faster and feels faster being thinner wing.
After riding 683s for two weeks I started thinking that 633/790/873 are rather truly surfing wings. They’d work with a kite but feel slow, especially in an open water where you can ride further out without need to turn back

Hi grigorib, 683s is faster than 633 but which one carves better? And is there a significant difference in terms of stability between new fuselage 710/633 and the old one?. My idea is to use 590 if I want to cruise and 633 for carving.

grigorib wrote: ↑

Thu May 23, 2019 1:35 pm

flaps1111 wrote: ↑

Thu May 23, 2019 11:45 am

grigorib wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2019 2:59 am

On the 749 you had mast all the way back but 710 has mast only 13mm forward (0.5”), so I’d say 1.5” move you made initially was too aggressive.
Also the stabilizer sits closer to the mast so it will also eat away from those 13mm - basically consider both wing and stabilizer being moved closer to the mast.

The 683s will make you consider 633 obsolete for kiting. They have lowend beyond what I could detect and both don’t stall at extreme low speeds. But 683s flies faster and feels faster being thinner wing.
After riding 683s for two weeks I started thinking that 633/790/873 are rather truly surfing wings. They’d work with a kite but feel slow, especially in an open water where you can ride further out without need to turn back

Hi grigorib, 683s is faster than 633 but which one carves better? And is there a significant difference in terms of stability between new fuselage 710/633 and the old one?. My idea is to use 590 if I want to cruise and 633 for carving.

In Jimmy Mazzanti’s words “683s is a refined 633”. I can carve and turn just as fine on 683s as on 633. The reports above are that people enjoy 633 more for slower waves but I can certainly go as slow on 683s.
I’d say it’s the largest wing you need for foiling with a kite unless you weigh 260 pounds

590 and 633 were my sweet couple since beginning of 2018 and I regret that it hasn’t been 590 and 683s instead.

I felt no significant difference between 710 and 749 (besides 710 being compact and lighter). I know some people like longer fuselage which increases resale value for 749