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Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby wavy navy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:19 am

See the pic. It shows how my tacks fail: I start by carving upwind, so the board must be kipped over like in the pic. When I want do do the footswitch, the board is still kipped over. I can step onto the upwind rail if the board, but that's not enough to kip it over back to horizontal, because it is too far kipped over. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby gmb13 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:33 pm

wavy navy wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:19 am
See the pic. It shows how my tacks fail: I start by carving upwind, so the board must be kipped over like in the pic. When I want do do the footswitch, the board is still kipped over. I can step onto the upwind rail if the board, but that's not enough to kip it over back to horizontal, because it is too far kipped over. What am I doing wrong?
You are still leaning back and "edging" the board-. You need to get your upper body in line with your hips and lead into the tack with you chest. Also try pointing your toes just before you move your feet.

This video might help you see:



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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:08 pm

True what Gunnar says.

I also did not understand how it was even possible to get the board heeled to the other side during my first tack attempts.

When you do a tack or a roll tack, the thing is you should lean forward into the lines, and then you will suddenly experience the board tilt/kipping follows you to the new windward side like it should.

More, a lot more, time and more practice, and it will come, either after a loooong time, or pretty fast, depends on your learning and adaption curve.

PS: Pushing rails dont work with a hydrofoil whatsoever, it is simply not how they work or are turned.

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby Qiter » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:02 pm

I confirm what Peter and Gunnar are saying.
Once you have carved hard upwind (short carve), you need to get your center of gravity back over the foil, in line with the mast with your knees slightly bent. The board will be almost level at that moment. There will be a short moment of inertia or complete balance, that is the moment to go for the switch. This needs to be coordinated with the kite movement in the new direction, i.e. the kite should go through the zenit just when you are upright on the board. This will lift you a bit and then you can switch feet more easily while diving the kite hard. As a rule of thumb, redirect the kite earlier than later, you will adjust it with time..
Its obviously easier with a bigger kite and more wind, small kites have a very narrow "lift window", with bigger kites, you have way more time!
So try first in more wind, you can "cheat" a bit by hanging more in the kite.

I learned it after I had the upwind carving 360 nailed. During this maneuver, there is a moment where the board is almost in the new direction and your weight is directly over the mast. This is the moment to switch the feet.
But its not an easy move, so keep practising!!

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby junebug » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:39 pm

As you go into the tack, put both hands on the bar and think of it as getting your head under your lead armpit. If you do your upwind carve that way, it should force your body to be more upright.

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby wavy navy » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:36 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:08 pm

When you do a tack or a roll tack, the thing is you should lean forward into the lines
Thanks, this helped a lot today, even when tacking to toeside or at 360s.

New experience to me, when I fell upwind while failing, and not to the windward side...

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby cglazier » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:06 pm

Good advice above.
One thing that helps me is pushing on my back foot to turn my board rather than leaning back.

(And as an English speaker I advise that the word “kipping” is not normally used for this situation)

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby TomW » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:51 pm

What's the easiest type to learn?
1. The roll behind the lines
2. The step in front of the lines
3. A 360.

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby grigorib » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:54 pm

TomW wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:51 pm
What's the easiest type to learn?
1. The roll behind the lines
2. The step in front of the lines
3. A 360.
360 for me
Followed by 270 when you decide in the end whether it's going to be 270-to-180 or 270-to-360

kite to zenith, maintaining bar pressure loop before/on exiting. back foot pressure riding stabilizers helps a lot

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Re: Strapless tack how avoid kipping?

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:19 pm

TomW wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:51 pm
What's the easiest type to learn?
1. The roll behind the lines
2. The step in front of the lines
3. A 360.

IMO, the easiest to learn is in this order:

1. A 360.
2. The roll behind the lines
3. The step in front of the lines

Some comments though -
The 360 is supereasy with hook(s) or straps(s), you can do it probably one of the very first times you try, just as easy as a backroll on a TT, almost.
Strapless though, it is extremely difficult for most riders, at first you will discover the board continues in a different direction than you want it to :o
Later, when you got the hang of this first "problem" keeping the curve, you will be able to make a donut suddenly, but the difficulty will be to be able to do these consistently, so this is very normal, dont get discouraged by only being able to make it foiling once in a while, and having loads of failed ones with crashes too :wink:

Regarding the roll tack and the normal tack, I find the roll tack a lot more difficult than the 360, particularly to do it flying.

The normal tack, flying, is by far det most difficult, I have only seen two "Pros" (I would call them) on video, able to do it foiling, Stephane and Gunnar.
But if you do the normal tack with board on the surface, I would say it is the easiest tack, and also easier than a strapless 360.
The way we are used to tack on both windsurfers and surfboards :thumb:

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