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state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby slowboat » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:52 pm

What is it and who is doing it?

For kiting with surfboards, you can see videos of the best riders in top competitions. Top to bottom linked vertical powered turns while going down the line. Can foilers do better with the efficiency advantage of foils? Who is doing it?

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby jumptheshark » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:10 pm

I don’t think foiling will recreate the type of riding that’s done on surfboards. It will however get impressive.

The real sell for foiling is that it lets all us regulars have fun in junk.

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby TomW » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:16 pm

Most fun I've had is on fast breaking 1m waves, shoulder high faces, in side on. The waves were breaking so fast I'd never make it on a surfboard, but on the foil I was doing 30-35km/hr on the face as it was breaking down the line nearly as fast for a long way. Scary fast and rather shallow inside.

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby juandesooka » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:10 pm

I am a surfer first, kiter with a focus on wave riding, and now foiler who loves to play around in waves. I am constantly on the lookout for video of kiters who are riding waves impressively, to learn from them ... but sorry to say its exceptionally rare. Most foils go too fast, so you can't ride in the critical section for long. So most videos tend to show a single turn or racing down the line way ahead of the peak. People ride big wings with tiny kites so they can shut off kite power and pump, but that tends to be in wind swells and really slow moving. Both super fun to do, but not too much of a wow to watch.

Not dissing anyone, as my videos are lamer than most. Imho foiling is something that feels better than it looks. The beach converts seem more impressed about making the most of light conditions, when surface kiting doesn't work well, or about higher speed linked turns in and around swells...top turns and bottom turns that simulate top to bottom down the line surfing. That flow feels super rad.

Ps there was a good foil surf photo series posted somewhere in last few days. Big waves and deep. I will attempt to find and repost

Pps this video has some nice rides

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby K-Roy » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:54 pm

I love foiling in waves, however, the white water in and around the waves prohibits me to even consider going as deep into the waves as I go with SB.

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby lebast » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:58 pm

I still have the feeling alot of the average SB riders haven't seen the full potential of this foil branch yet and even if so it will take them 2-3 years to get good enough to enter this realm fully.

as jumptheshark already mentioned a lot of potential lays in this: foils let crappy conditions shine
- the 3D foil pumptrack that gets created with some average wind swell lumps, which can be found at a lot of places, quite often.

but most intersting is where it's at:
Maybe staying in the critical section of a wave and just feeling the power of the wave is not the strength of foils at all.
The mechanics behind the glide of foils favor more the the carving on - off the wave and trying to get in synch with nice top and bottom turns, kinda like snowboard- or skatelongboard carving with the awesome feeling of the wave pushing you. Even that seems sometimes hard with bigger swells, to shut of the harsh acceleration of the foil when slightly overpowered and entering a steep part of the wave. For me this is the art of wave kite foiling, finding a good entry into the wave and establishing the first solid turn to unfold the line. Let alone to find good lines in choppy Chaos :). For me this is not so much about wing sizes but more about kite size and entering and riding the wave "right"...
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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby juandesooka » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:13 am

Nicely said lebast
Bottom line...don't try to "surf" like a surfboard, its different, so do it different. And ultimately....who cares what snobby surfer kooks think about "real surfing"
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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby atomic-chomik » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:03 am

Agreed

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:51 am

Well put lebast :thumb:

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Re: state of the art wave kite foiling

Postby omg » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:25 am

agree with lebast. However, in all honesty, with that wave in the Core video above, who would choose foil over surfboard? :)
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