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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby purdyd » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:47 pm

twig wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:15 pm

So to not correct when out of balance is maybe the best mindset here.

Now my goal is to ride fast with v straps, but i guess i will ride strapless until i learned more. 🙂
i think that is smart. When you get off balance just go with it early when you can control your fall.

As you get better you can hang on a little bit more and recover.

I’ve ridden strapless and it is one of those cases where having a floaty foil helps.

It is nice having a hook when it is really light to help position the board when starting,

The problem with straps, and you can see it happened to you, is if the foil comes under you as you fall and you get stuck. It can be hard to get out of the straps even if they are really loose.

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby jakemoore » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:45 pm

Learning to fall right is one of the things to find out early.

I'm a fan of keeping the kite high, powered and still so I just float off the board and the kite pulls me away.

Also, fall early. Trying to recover early on is just going to make things worse. Keep the legs soft so you don't press the board or it will jump.

I figured out pretty quickly I was going to break a toe, ankle or knee with straps so I took those off in the first few sessions.

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby Foil » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:56 pm

There is something your brain learns when you have a near miss, or a bad fall.
learning on a foilboard will bring most of these crashes and near misses to you at some time.
you can almost list them all if your a few years in, some are really scary, others are yikes moments but no biggie.
when learning, nearly everything was scary. even spinning the bar or looking around was scary.

Many guys said to me when I asked how do I do something, just try it then you will know how it feels, then you will learn quickly how to avoid the pain, that's been true for me.
I was warned I would have a bad fall when learning to jump, one where you fall forward over the side, feet in straps everything coming up towards you, how do you avoid that I asked, not sure was the reply, but you only do it once,
I had the awkward fall a few days later, scary and hurt a little, never repeated it 500 jumps later.
By far the most scary moment was going over the back of a wave for the first time, har! that was top level scary, very steep wave, sat back like a newbie, board shot up and out in front of me through my lines and the waves pushed me right up to the upturned mast and wings, all lines tangled, me trapped looking at sharp edges and a kite trying to take off again.
funny that I never ever came close to repeating that ever again.and now love dropping over the front, my brain screaming at me to lean forward more forward keep forward and don't forget the kite.
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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby matth » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:05 pm

twig wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:15 pm
As i remember the crash my foot was never caught in the strap, if it was then just very little.
I think that the same would have happened if I was ridning strapless.

And its probably safer to ride strapless in general.

So to not correct when out of balance is maybe the best mindset here.

Now my goal is to ride fast with v straps, but i guess i will ride strapless until i learned more. 🙂

Same here, I don't remember my foot being stuck, but I know it was, and just enough to pull my leg behind me. It doesn't take much to twist a knee or tear a muscle.
But just think how bad it would be if your foot would not release, it would be a devastating injury... never again for me!!!

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby NYKiter » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:48 pm

Its rather predictable, you go one way, board goes the other....pop...your f*cked

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby UKSurf » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:12 am

It looks like you were travelling fairly fast and that it was pretty windy. My experience of learning to go downwind is getting a big surf wing so you can travel at slower speeds and a strutless kite for light wind makes it alot easier. I would definitely get a foot hook, whether your strap contributed to the injury it could have been alot worse if your foot was caught in that strap :cry: You might have a partial tear on a ligament so be careful and get it checked out.

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby matanshapira » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:33 pm

UKSurf wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:12 am
It looks like you were travelling fairly fast and that it was pretty windy. My experience of learning to go downwind is getting a big surf wing so you can travel at slower speeds and a strutless kite for light wind makes it alot easier. I would definitely get a foot hook, whether your strap contributed to the injury it could have been alot worse if your foot was caught in that strap :cry: You might have a partial tear on a ligament so be careful and get it checked out.
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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby TomW » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:38 pm

Ive been foiling 3 years. My first sessions I took 4hrs of private lessons. I was using foothooks at that point.
My instructor gave me important advice on how to fall. He said to always give up and don't try to save it, bail out. Keep your front foot on the board as long as you can, to push the nose down, and fall forward letting kite pull you from the the board.
This was really good advice and I've not injured myself or tangled the foil in the lines in 300 hours of Hydrofoiling.
Falling backwards is extremely dangerous.
Next is that with all due respect, you should be doing some other physical exercise off water to strengthen your quads and knees to keep them stable. Strong legs protect your knees. Cycling, even just for short rides to the store or around is excellent way. Better is to get up to riding 60-100km a week.

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby UKSurf » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:08 am

TomW wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:38 pm
Ive been foiling 3 years. My first sessions I took 4hrs of private lessons. I was using foothooks at that point.
My instructor gave me important advice on how to fall. He said to always give up and don't try to save it, bail out. Keep your front foot on the board as long as you can, to push the nose down, and fall forward letting kite pull you from the the board.
I would also say that riding at speed increases the risk of injury. I tend to ride slow with a big surf wing push the board down and fall fowards and to windward. The board nearly always stops dead.

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Re: Unpredictable foil injury

Postby twig » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:38 pm

A little followup.

The knee specialist said it will heal in 3 weeks (6weeks from the fall)
The ligament on the inside was slightly swollen with a bleeding inside. Grade 1 knee injury (not very serious).
The meniscus and ACL was all good. But would probably have had damage if the twist would've been longer.
still it can take some time before I can use my knee for more demanding activities.

I would like to add some things to explain the conditions I was in.
I was out in 16+ knots with a reo 7m. Moses 590 wing and 101mast. The waves abit further out where I was kiting had a difference from top to bottom around 1 meter.
To not ventilate it was necessary to push the nose down to go down between the wavetops and then push on the tail again to get up and over the wavetops as I was crossing the waves on a diagonal downwind direction.
The water was a bit turbulent and I was concerned to go back safe, but not afraid to change my weight alot to try and learn how to deal with these conditions.
The different speed of the waves was also creating more/less lift as the wing passes the top/bottom of the waves = a bumpy ride.
I crashed many times before this fall but this one happened so quick that I had no chanse to exit safer when I was put in the situation with the board accelerating up.

Thanks for all response and hope there's some use for this thread, though I think it might be hard to just read stuff to keep safe kiting. Time on the water is key!

Im going by bike to work all day now and will probably be back kiting soon.

Cheers!


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