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need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby Benicia Wind » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:12 pm

I'm looking for a new foil. I want to go fast in light wind (8 kn) and don't really care about ultimate top speed. What is possible? 20 knots? At what point do larger wings have the advantage because they can get foiling at a lower speed where perhaps a race foil won't be able to even go? Any recommendations?

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby xulpix » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:29 am

I would say Moses 101cm mast with 590 wing... a good combo but not the fastest... in opposition to have a early planning in light light wind.

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby derek440 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:32 am

I have a duotone spirit GT and I can water-start in 8knots and go 20kn, but I have to use a large kite as I am 100kg, usually R1 17m or Sonic 15m. If I use my bigger foil (moses 683) I can get going on a smaller kite (like my Hyperlink 12m on 17m lines) but can still do about 20kn

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby grigorib » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:09 pm

In my opinion 590 at 8 knots wind is a bit of a challenge, at least for my 200+ lbs.
683s works magic for me as lighwind setup and i rode 26 MPH on it. Feels pretty fast.
720 wing is fairly speedy and is lightwindish too but I felt too locked, too stable - not playful enough for me.

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby airsail » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:16 pm

Depends on board size, a higher volume board will be able to attain enough speed to get even the smallest race wing flying. Pocket boards need the big wing as they don’t have the ability to travel on the surface at speed.
In the light stuff, 6-10 knots I use a 12 Soul and a Levitaz Bionic. Yes, I could stay easily on the surf foil but find it boring with no wind swell to play with. And why would you want to go just 20 knots, when you can get to 30 knots in 10 knots of wind.

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby Benicia Wind » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:45 pm

airsail wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:16 pm
Depends on board size, a higher volume board will be able to attain enough speed to get even the smallest race wing flying. Pocket boards need the big wing as they don’t have the ability to travel on the surface at speed.
In the light stuff, 6-10 knots I use a 12 Soul and a Levitaz Bionic. Yes, I could stay easily on the surf foil but find it boring with no wind swell to play with. And why would you want to go just 20 knots, when you can get to 30 knots in 10 knots of wind.
Really ! 30 knots in 10 knots of wind. I got to check this out.

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:16 pm

Benicia Wind wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:12 pm
I'm looking for a new foil. I want to go fast in light wind (8 kn) and don't really care about ultimate top speed. What is possible? 20 knots? At what point do larger wings have the advantage because they can get foiling at a lower speed where perhaps a race foil won't be able to even go? Any recommendations?

Not sure what you seek?

But fast racefoil wings (smaller and faster profile) can ride from 6 knots, when using big foilkites 15-18-21 m2, so when you say 8 knots you can choose any wing you want, just use the right kitesize.

Or do you want a faster freeride wing than your current wing?
And what kite type and size do you have or want?

8) Peter

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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby tomtom » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:23 pm

kite size and L/D is dominant factor for your goal - any reasonable fast foil can go 20 knts - you need something to pull you that fast,
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Re: need new foil want speed in light wind

Postby airsail » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:10 pm

Benicia Wind wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:45 pm
airsail wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:16 pm
Depends on board size, a higher volume board will be able to attain enough speed to get even the smallest race wing flying. Pocket boards need the big wing as they don’t have the ability to travel on the surface at speed.
In the light stuff, 6-10 knots I use a 12 Soul and a Levitaz Bionic. Yes, I could stay easily on the surf foil but find it boring with no wind swell to play with. And why would you want to go just 20 knots, when you can get to 30 knots in 10 knots of wind.
Really ! 30 knots in 10 knots of wind. I got to check this out.
I only use my racefoil in under 12 knots, when the water is smooth. Still learning to turn it, tacks are getting there but gybe are just too scary. No way I would own a racefoil only, use it maybe 10% of the time but hopefully more once I improve my skills. My current top speed is 27.3knots, but I’m a newb at this speed stuff.
They are cheap secondhand so I’m happy to have it for those occasional days.


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