tomi3000 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:43 pm
TomW wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:38 pm
tomi3000 wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:29 am
Maybe that's the case and the company is experiencing growing pains, hiring new staff, having a ton of different gear to manage, IDK. This whole buying experience resembles to me shopping on aliexpress and the likes when you really not suppose to contact the seller and instead just click and buy hoping that when the product you just bought arrives it will sort of work or you will have to waste another 10+ emails on contacting the seller again. I am now looking at new Moses kits and contemplating getting poor mans 633 alu kit or maybe celebrating surviving half of 2020 and getting myself a carbon mast version instead.
I don't agree with you. I used to ride Moses hydrofoils and the reason I gave up is their wing program is too confusing. I could never figure it out without going to kiteforum. I can either purchase from a dealer 600km from me ( no testing) or order direct from them. It's still online purchase and support.
With Gong they have a forum where there's a lot of information, videos and respond to email if you have a question.
And Gong foil program is fairly easy to understand. 3 surf foil lines: Rise, Curve, Veloce: slowest, medium, fastest. All 3 lines available in M,L,XL,XXL Sizes.
(Yes they have kitefoil line, but there's no reason to buy it, even Gong tells you that. )
I am still confused on what is compatible with what. Just to clarify, I wanted a foil to use with kite. When you open GONG FOIL ALLVATOR CARBON PRO MAST 100 page in kitefoil section you can pick one of two types:
Freesurf: only compatible with our foil surf wings
Freeride: only compatible with our kite foil wings.
Do they refer to previous generation of wings or do they have two lines of the same wings but with different attachment points? I tried to spot any differences in the the same type of wings images in different sections kitefoil and surfoil but to me they look identical.
When you mention that kitefoil line is not good what do you mean by that? Do you mean products in this section of website are not good for kite foiling?
I agree, it's still a bit confusing.
Do not buy the Allvator freeride. It is old, smaller kite only wing. This one wing works with the kite fuselage.
For kiting the best wings are the Allvator Allround (Rise), Allvator Freewave ( Curve) and Allvator Veloce. They all fit the surf fuselage. For kiting the M size is best in all 3 wings.
Get either a 90 cm aluminum mast or 100cm carbon mast.
What's confusing is the naming. They call them all Allavator. Then the names freeride, allround, freewave. In addition they called the freewave M Pro a while and added Pro Clear which is same M Pro wing with carbon weave finish.
Let me summarize:
Freeride = kite only with kite fuselage - don't buy this.
Allround =" Rise"( new name) with surf fuselage. Slow beginner wing. Thick 30mm profile. M size for kiting
Freewave = " Curve" ( new name)with surf fuselage. A bit faster wing. 22mm Medium profile. M size for kiting.
Veloce ( new name) with surf fuselage. A bit faster than curve. 13mm profile thinner profile. M size for kiting.
If you want nice wing for general freeride on kite, max speed 22-24 knots, get the Curve M.
I regularly do 20 knots without pressing 100%. It has very good low end too. As good as moses 633 wing.
This is the full carbon Freewave( Curve) setup for kite:
https://www.gong-galaxy.com/produit/gon ... ll-carbon/