Ulrik wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:20 pmI asked Gong for a Freewave M set, but with a change of stab from kite to surf.
This is their answer:
I fully recommend the kite stab 40cm with the front wing CURVE in kitefoil.
You will still have a very good lift at low speed (due to the front wing CURVE) and it will allow you better performance and a more reactive foil.
The surf stab is more thicker that will reduce considerably the speed (you will feel a brake).
You should definitely keep the kite stab 40cm from the kitefoil pack you selected.
If you really want a surf stab, you should consider to buy a surf stab in 40cm (with the front wing CURVE in size M) but we can't change a foil pack.
So I think I will buy the extra surf stab, just to have both options.
Several months ago they suggested to me too a 45cm stab (kite) with L Pro, when I asked for a extremely low wind setup. (6/7 knots).Windigo1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:28 pmThey sold me the M Pro with the surf stab it's too big the foil is too lifty too much down pressure from that stab on my setup. I had a 45cm stab from the kite foil but that was too big too so I had to cut it down and reshape the tips. It works sort of good now. I wish they had sent my the kite stab. If I order one the shipping to get it here is insane. I'm usign a Groveskate 130 maybe a bigger board it would work or a board with the mast further back.
Ouch... I wanted something for extreme light wind, and actually felt the 633 to stall too early.Windigo1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:04 pmYes I would say stick wit the smaller kite stab. The fuselage is very long so you don't need a big stab. My Groovestake must be a 2019 I got it and the beginning of 2019. Even with my stab cut down to 35cm I still need to move the rear screws to 2 most forward rear hole in order to move the mast a bit further back. This foil was obviously designed for a much larger board. It is nice though it's faster than my Moses 633 and very easy to carve and change direction very stable. The low end is bit less but not much when it drops at low speed it's more sudden but you have to go really slow for that.
Flyboy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:12 pmPresumably there are some performance differences between these various stabs. My MPro setup came with the 40 cm (250cm2) stab. It rides great ... but I have nothing to compare it with. My other two foils have completely different stab designs ... they also work fine!
As far as I understand it, the Gong website now lists two different kite stabs: the 45cm (272 cm) kite stab & the 40cm (210cm2) "high performance" stab. So they don't seem to offer the 40cm (250cm2) "surf stab" with the kite foils anymore. To further complicate things the Veloce M appears to come with a different stab again: 43cm (280cm2) which is larger than the two other stabs & larger than my surf stab. Fairly confusing!
Tom if you compare the veloce stab to the kite stab, what is the difference in behavior?TomW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:01 pmThe 40cm kite stab has 218 cm2, the 40 cm surf stab 232 cm2.
Mainly the surf stab has anhedral and thicker profile.
Yes, surf stab is a bit slower, but it grips and drives in powered and fast carves. The kite stab washes and slides for me. Yes kite stab is more agile, but the washing out wasn't nice for me, so ended up using surf stab all the time.
Then i got veloce m and veloce 43 stab. It doesn't wash out and whole setup is faster more agile without any meaningful loss of lowend.
So if you think pro m with surf stab is slow ? Then I'd say take the step and get the veloce wings.
Note : I have 100cm monobloc mast on veloce, but I tested pro m with surf stab on same mast. Never tested veloce m on the 90 cm alu mast.
Gong is adamantly recommending the kite stab with pro m for kiting, i suspect its because they ride like pros, and a pro might prefer that. But for a regular Joe, kiting 2x a week, I say get the surf stab.
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