Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

A forum dedicated to Hydrofoil riders
kit3surfer
Rare Poster
Posts: 47
Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:34 pm
Kiting since: 2010
Gear: North
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby kit3surfer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:11 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but this guy surfs amazingly - one of the best i have ever seen - could one reason for his waveriding skills be the fact that he has TOTAL blind Control over his kite? If you look carefully he NEVER Looks to the sky, although he is riding often towards the kite and must expect lines coming down.
What kite is he riding?

mar menor
Frequent Poster
Posts: 239
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:03 pm
Kiting since: 2000
Weight: 70kgs
Local Beach: mar menor,Spain
Favorite Beaches: Mar Menor,los narejos ,santa pola ,la llana,
Gear: Ozone Alpha 10 & 8 Catalyst 6 ,Ozone Enduro 10 & 8 ,Groove skate and moses 633,
Boards-north fish.ocean rodeo mako,Nobile 666
Brand Affiliation: Ozone
Location: Murcia,Spain
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 23 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby mar menor » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:21 pm

Awesome is an over used phrase.......but he is awesome

tomtom
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1588
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 186 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby tomtom » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:06 pm

max wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:55 pm
jespin4845 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:49 pm
70 is perfect if you have a narrow board, too wide and you will breach in the carves

90 feels like surfing on stilts to me... but like everyone says, preferences

85 is the biggest I’d go for a wave foil
Actually . . . I have a narrow board :)
what is narrow board and how it affect wing breaching? Im genuinely interested.
many thanks

User avatar
Adventure Logs
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1121
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:18 pm
Local Beach: Punta del Diablo, Uruguay
Favorite Beaches: Durban, SA
Corpus Christi
Gear: Flysurfer, Moses, Groove, Slinghot, Nobile, Zeeko
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 116 times
Contact:

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby Adventure Logs » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:36 pm

^^^ that’s pretty small and a 70 would be no problem. I get lazy and the longer mast is easier on my knees for higher more frequent swell. I really don’t notice much of a turning difference between a 79 and 90 but the 633 is fairly slow. I’d curious to try Moses’s 82 just because I’ve heard it’s much stiffer. I think that’s more important than length.

jespin4845
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 640
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:10 am
Local Beach: Lake Worth, FL
Jupiter, FL
Style: Freeride/surf
Gear: kites and boards
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby jespin4845 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:50 pm

tomtom wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:06 pm
max wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:55 pm
jespin4845 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:49 pm
70 is perfect if you have a narrow board, too wide and you will breach in the carves

90 feels like surfing on stilts to me... but like everyone says, preferences

85 is the biggest I’d go for a wave foil
Actually . . . I have a narrow board :)
what is narrow board and how it affect wing breaching? Im genuinely interested.
many thanks
i like 16"

i used to ride 18", then i made a 16" board and found the carves can go deeper, and harder G's, especially with a 70cm mast

one thing is for sure, my G's are way harder on a 70cm mast vs 90, carve harder than a surfboard i feel like, even though it looks lame to spectator..

kit3surfer
Rare Poster
Posts: 47
Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:34 pm
Kiting since: 2010
Gear: North
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby kit3surfer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:16 pm

I don't get why gybes and carves are harder and easier with 70cm than with 90cm, can anybody explain?

tomtom
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1588
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 186 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby tomtom » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:07 am

jespin4845 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:50 pm
tomtom wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:06 pm
max wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:55 pm


Actually . . . I have a narrow board :)
what is narrow board and how it affect wing breaching? Im genuinely interested.
many thanks
i like 16"

i used to ride 18", then i made a 16" board and found the carves can go deeper, and harder G's, especially with a 70cm mast

one thing is for sure, my G's are way harder on a 70cm mast vs 90, carve harder than a surfboard i feel like, even though it looks lame to spectator..
And how your 16 inch wide board looks like otherwise? Do you need more lenght and more rocker /rail volume/ to compensate for shorter mast and occasional touch downs?
Thanks again.

p.s. Im building my new board right now and im intrigued by shorter mast, so im gathering info.

Alvaro
Medium Poster
Posts: 75
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:20 pm
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby Alvaro » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:08 am

jakemoore wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:10 am
I like the 70 quite a lot. Just a few years ago we were getting out past big waves with no mast at all. But a difference is I don’t judge my own riding by the absence of touchdowns and my board is friendly in touchdowns. Sometimes it’s just a chop licking the board and sometimes I put the board down to scrub speed or keep from getting ejected when passing whitewater. It’s all fine with me.

SUP and Prone surfers may ride shorter.

I find longer mast helps more for kite specific riding like hiking upwind or freestyle anything where a touchdown or avvidental ventilation would be more unwelcome. Practice foot switches for example with a long mast at mid depth.

These guys have a couple cool vids on short mast as well as long.:

Question,
How many of you guys ride at any similar level than this guy in the video?
I mean, Is it just Gunnar + the guy in the video + a couple more guys somewhere else, or most of you are able to ride like that?
I am so far away to doing anything remotely similar, that it looks almost impossible to me to ride so fluidly in waves like those.

Healthy envy I guess.

User avatar
jakemoore
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2094
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:59 am
Gear: Foil and 1strut kites.
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Oleander
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 148 times
Contact:

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby jakemoore » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:03 am

My guess is people riding at what level get noticed and somebody else records their riding through a longer lens.

jespin4845
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 640
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:10 am
Local Beach: Lake Worth, FL
Jupiter, FL
Style: Freeride/surf
Gear: kites and boards
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: Is 70cm mast too short for wavefoiling?

Postby jespin4845 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:20 am

tomtom wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:07 am
jespin4845 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:50 pm
tomtom wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:06 pm


what is narrow board and how it affect wing breaching? Im genuinely interested.
many thanks
i like 16"

i used to ride 18", then i made a 16" board and found the carves can go deeper, and harder G's, especially with a 70cm mast

one thing is for sure, my G's are way harder on a 70cm mast vs 90, carve harder than a surfboard i feel like, even though it looks lame to spectator..
And how your 16 inch wide board looks like otherwise? Do you need more lenght and more rocker /rail volume/ to compensate for shorter mast and occasional touch downs?
Thanks again.

p.s. Im building my new board right now and im intrigued by shorter mast, so im gathering info.
I made a 36" x 16" with 3.5" of rocker

I also made a 33" but the nosedives after strapless jumps were annoying, cause everything had to be perfect, the three extra inches gave me some more forgiveness

1" thick divnycell with 50/50 rails

this is after I have mastered gybes and no touchdowns though, always starting with a downloop and I use a 1550 wing in 10 knots, but usually a 1200 wing

what's great about 1" thick is if you stomp a jump you can foil out the board out of the water when its submerged by stomping the rear foot, just muscle through it


Return to “Hydrofoil”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests