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Re: Canards

Postby nixmatters » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:29 pm

I had my first steps with a foil at the cable park.

Some of the wakeboarders got hooked and gave it a go that resulted in spectacular crashes with foils flying up high :)
Would a canard foil be easier to learn for people used to putting much more weight on the rear foot?

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Re: Canards

Postby jumptheshark » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:22 pm

There needs to be a 2.0 carbon version to break out of it’s little corner. Maintaining just an alloy model projects it as stuck in beta stage and not worthy of a premium version. It may well be the future and I get that Zeeko are going to cross market it to all forms of foiling, but in kiting, the performance end of the spectrum is always the fashion driving sales.

A couple sick edits on a carbon version that looks different enough to convince everyone it’s lighter, faster, turns better and has more low end without sacrificing top end like never before. Maybe a cross promo of it under an Aluula kite and it could quickly become next years must have!

Nicholas is the guy to do it.

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Re: Canards

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:35 am

I find the current bigger canard is not sufficiently fast (turning), compared to a regular design with a small stab which is a lot more agile in my experience.

This might change with a different canard design with a smaller front wing maybe?

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Re: Canards

Postby foilholio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:14 am

I got to thinking about the dynamics of pumping. Is it that you create the speed by just pushing up off the board to create height and then just fall down giving speed? and it's the pitching up of a regular foil that helps with that to get the board to rise up with you as you sort of jump up? It would explain why bigger stabs are meant to pump better.

Has anyone done some in depth on maybe how pumping works?

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Re: Canards

Postby tkaraszewski » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:34 am

foilholio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:14 am
I got to thinking about the dynamics of pumping. Is it that you create the speed by just pushing up off the board to create height and then just fall down giving speed? and it's the pitching up of a regular foil that helps with that to get the board to rise up with you as you sort of jump up? It would explain why bigger stabs are meant to pump better.

Has anyone done some in depth on maybe how pumping works?
It works just like on a skateboard:

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Re: Canards

Postby nixmatters » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:49 am

jumptheshark wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:22 pm
There needs to be a 2.0 carbon version to break out of it’s little corner.
The Carbon Spitfire XXLW wings might be coming soon, but not sure about a carbon mast/fuselage.
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Re: Canards

Postby lederhosen » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:09 am

Saw a carbon spitfire xxlw on leboncoin, dont know if self built or prototype.
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I hope there is one coming, also a wingsize inbetween xlw and xxlw would be great

Nixmatters, is the xxlw a selfbuild or the new edition wing?

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Re: Canards

Postby nixmatters » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:56 am

lederhosen wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:09 am

Nixmatters, is the xxlw a selfbuild or the new edition wing?
carbon/innegra prototype of the current xxlw wings made few monts ago. can check with the friend who sent it to me, but maybe we should ask Nicolas what his plans are

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Re: Canards

Postby ronnie » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:48 am

We still haven't seen an explanation of how a canard foil works.

My guess has been that at different angles of attack, the % of the total lift transfers between the wings to provide the stability of the centre of lift. If that is the case, then a shorter fuselage should improve the speed of turning? but maybe reduce the pitch stability a bit?

A carbon version might allow for the fuselage to be as high up the mast as the front wing, which would remove the small 'mast' below the front wing and also possibly help turning speed?

In the video on Page 1, the canard being used looks to me like the wing tips may not be as square as the XXLW? Nicolas has also said that they are bringing out a 1600 sq cm foil, so could that be a canard? All of this is speculation on my part apart from the bit about a 1600 sq cm foil.

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Re: Canards

Postby lederhosen » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:40 pm

ronnie wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:48 am
In the video on Page 1, the canard being used looks to me like the wing tips may not be as square as the XXLW? Nicolas has also said that they are bringing out a 1600 sq cm foil, so could that be a canard? All of this is speculation on my part apart from the bit about a 1600 sq cm foil.
I think you are right, the wings look higher aspect than the XXLW. I'm excited.


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