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Re: alu masts

Postby PurdyKiter » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:38 pm

Kitetwin-1 wrote:
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Get the carbon, hands down. Yes it’s more money but you will end up there sooner or later
Agreed. I'm with the 91 and the 101 Moses carbon. Aside from experimental fiddling on the beach with stiffness testing, I honestly could not tell you that I've ever felt a twist. 590... 633...and a Stingy wing. All excellent. Personally I appreciate the lighter weight during waterstarts, and aggressive carving snappy.
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Re: alu masts

Postby dkazhdan » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:57 pm

I read somewhere that the superior ride feel of a carbon frame bike, as opposed to an aluminum one, is a scientifically proven placebo effect.
They ran tests randomly giving riders aluminum and carbon bikes and apparently they (the riders) couldn't tell the difference.

Do you guys think that the foilers may be potentially dealing with the same phenomena? :)

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Re: alu masts

Postby foilholio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:36 am

Much cheaper to replace Alu parts when they quite often get trashed in waves.

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Re: alu masts

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:44 am

dkazhdan wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:57 pm
I read somewhere that the superior ride feel of a carbon frame bike, as opposed to an aluminum one, is a scientifically proven placebo effect.
They ran tests randomly giving riders aluminum and carbon bikes and apparently they (the riders) couldn't tell the difference.

Do you guys think that the foilers may be potentially dealing with the same phenomena? :)
It takes just one trip from parking lot to the beach to feel the difference first hand
Packing 50 lbs bag for airline travel is another one

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For sale: Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530

Moses 590/647/330 $740, Moses 633/749/483 $790, Moses 683s/749/483 $890, 75cm alu mast $200, 80cm alu mast $260
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Re: alu masts

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:31 am

Moses 71cm mast 2.7 lbs
Moses 91cm mast 3.4 lbs
Slingshot 91cm mast 3.3 lbs
Slingshot 42” (105cm) mast 4.1 lbs


Slingshot 30” mast with adapter (total length 80cm) 5.47 lbs

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Re: alu masts

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:35 am

Few more factors
- jumping with heavy setup is a nightmare
- being hit or bumping into a heavy set hurts much more

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Re: alu masts

Postby dkazhdan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:50 am

so weight seems to be the only factor then?
someone mentioned that alu masts hum and create more drag too, is it really noticeable?
thanks for helping me make up mind.

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Re: alu masts

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:04 am

grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:31 am
Moses 71cm mast 2.7 lbs
Moses 91cm mast 3.4 lbs
Slingshot 91cm mast 3.3 lbs
Slingshot 42” (105cm) mast 4.1 lbs


Slingshot 30” mast with adapter (total length 80cm) 5.47 lbs
Slingshot is pretty much the heaviest foil stuff on the market though :lol: or was rather, I haven't seen the aluminum stuff in the flesh since the new wings came out.

Somewhere I weighed my 19mm mast, but can't remember the details except that is heaps stiffer than carbon...

Found it: 3.08lbs (1.4kg) for the 75cm excl. plate. Bathroom scales though, FWIW.

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Re: alu masts

Postby Wazza Foil » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:28 am

dkazhdan wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:50 am
so weight seems to be the only factor then?
someone mentioned that alu masts hum and create more drag too, is it really noticeable?
thanks for helping me make up mind.
For me at 73 yo I always consider weight and with my SS aluminum masts its not an issue with the very light weight Moses wings carrying to the water. It's a bonus sinking the wings which is still very slow.
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Re: alu masts

Postby richy-c » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:36 pm

dkazhdan wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:25 pm
richy-c wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:08 pm

Are you learning on this foil?
Learning. I've been foiling for a year on a Shinn P-Foil, got to a point where i can pull off most of my footswitches in the air.
I find that the p-foil starts feeling draggy so i am looking for an upgrade.

Another factor when considering an alu mast is that unless i am being wrong a moses 633/alu mast foil sinks rather than floats on its side? Which is a huge benefit in light wind as i see it.
im an improver just below your level. Foot switching 10% of the time board on water 😁 Just moved from 61 cm slingshot ali mast to moses 91 cm carbon and yes carbon mast floats the board on its side but ive found its making life easier as its making waterstart easier. Im learning strapless water starts. Cant tell any difference in ride quality so far at my level.
A bit more body dragging back to the board on its side but not much. 👍
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