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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby Frankieboy » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:16 pm

grigorib wrote:
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450 is the biggest stabilizer. 483 is smaller but just as thick. Then you have race stabilizers 425/421/420 which are thin but still larger than kite freeride stabilizers, closing the list with 325 and finally 330 as the smallest. You might be able to find some 2016-2017 race stabilizers (380/345/342) which appeared even smaller but I have no data on their actual specs
are there any compatible with surf fuselage?

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:22 pm

Frankieboy wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:16 pm
grigorib wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:26 pm
450 is the biggest stabilizer. 483 is smaller but just as thick. Then you have race stabilizers 425/421/420 which are thin but still larger than kite freeride stabilizers, closing the list with 325 and finally 330 as the smallest. You might be able to find some 2016-2017 race stabilizers (380/345/342) which appeared even smaller but I have no data on their actual specs
are there any compatible with surf fuselage?
Any of them could be used with surf fuselages
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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby taiguy » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:29 am

really wish the armstrong lineup had better distribution in the US, right now it's hard to find a demo or anybody who even has access to one.

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby salvino » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:44 pm

The 633 comes alive with the 325 stabilizer!

Two of us have done this and no looking back. I think it comes with stab because was marketed as SUP foil so very stable and slow to turn. For kiting it’s not the right setup. Go small for stab to complement these wonderful front wings!
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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby purdyd » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:19 pm

I thought this was an interesting review on some of the newer Armstrong foils.


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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby grtlakes » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:52 am

Interesting comparison for sure. I’m thinking maybe the HS 1050 makes the 800/1200 combo a little redundant.

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby taiguy » Fri May 22, 2020 4:53 am

Texaskiter wrote:
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Frankieboy wrote:
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there is a big difference riding a 100 mast and a 85cm mast in terms of reactivity !
This is very true and a great point, Frankieboy. So please disregard my comments about the 633 being stiffer. So not a perfect comparison. That said, I was able to ride the 1200 yesterday on the exact same set up as the 800 mentioned in my opening. The 1200 has all the same characteristics as the 800 but the stall out and start speed is much lower. And lower than the 633. The 1200 (with the neutral shim) requires more front foot pressure at speed (more than 800 and 633). Notwithstanding the shorter mast, the pitch, yaw, and roll of the 1200 vs the 633 is more prevalent. So in that regard, the 633 feels more "stable" and it is faster than the 1200. One feeling that came to mind riding the 1200 is that I was riding (balancing) on top of a ball where the 633 feels more "locked in". With the 1200, the turns are tight and carvey and should be a blast in the surf. You can't tell you are on such a large wing. I would not call the 1200 with the short fuse a beginner's set up because of all the afore mentioned. One weird thing I noticed after a fall was that the board remained on its side with the wing floating out of the water. So I actually had to body drag upwind to the board. I am going to try the 1200 with the 1 degree shim to see if that balances the ride a little more. Hope you all find this helpful. I would be interested in other people's experiences.
Got to ride my buddies 1200 setup today after riding my 633 setup the last 2 weeks. Your feedback reflects my own perfectly.

I want to try the 1200 setup with a shim in the back.

One thing that was definitely noticeable is how much stiffer the 85cm Armstrong mast is compared up the Moses 91cm mast.

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby Wazza Foil » Fri May 22, 2020 9:04 am

To compare apples with apples demo the Moses equavilant mast not the 91 Moses.

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby Huib » Fri May 22, 2020 9:58 am

Frankieboy wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:46 pm
Thanks Texasrider for the review.

How do the stabs compare in size?

Untill now I rode Ketos 1200 wing and changed to the smallest satb available. It dramatically changed the behaviour of the foil make much tider turns and much more playfull. With a bigger stab (karver) the foil is much more stable.
I just bought Moses 633, didn't try it yet but to me the stab (450) looks too big. I don't think there is a smaller stab available (at least surf fuselage compatible...).
What is the reason you changed from Ketos to the Moses 633?

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Re: Moses 633 vs Armstrong review

Postby Frankieboy » Fri May 22, 2020 11:05 am

Huib wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 9:58 am
Frankieboy wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:46 pm
Thanks Texasrider for the review.

How do the stabs compare in size?

Untill now I rode Ketos 1200 wing and changed to the smallest satb available. It dramatically changed the behaviour of the foil make much tider turns and much more playfull. With a bigger stab (karver) the foil is much more stable.
I just bought Moses 633, didn't try it yet but to me the stab (450) looks too big. I don't think there is a smaller stab available (at least surf fuselage compatible...).
What is the reason you changed from Ketos to the Moses 633?
I started winging and now only need one foil with 2 front wingsfor both kite and wing

To answer your next question - little bit off topic appoligies for that:
1200 (Ketos!) and 633 perform quite similar,1200 slightly more speed, 633 slightly more lift
Weight is quite similar (Moses fuselage is heavier)
Moses is stiffer, Ketos is quite flexible
Ketos fewer screws to get going
Both very nicelly finished (wel in different way glossy/mat carbon)
More boards to choose with a plate then with KFBox and more tuning possibilities


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