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Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby gatorjos » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:17 am

I'm looking to get a slower foil and am considering getting the Moses 633/710/483. To save some dough and simplify my life, I thought of just getting a Lift 200 surf foil V2 instead (already have the mast). They both would be pretty easy to travel with. the wing areas seem similar but that's just one part of the ride characteristic....

Has anybody kited both? Opinions on difference between the two? I'm looking for people who have actually ridden both, not opinions on one or the other please.

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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby grigorib » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:45 am

Though almost identical by area, the Moses is solid design with expansion options and history of success. 633 is probably most sold kitefoil wing. Lift on the other hand is quite isolated design with stories “water got inside my carbon mast” and as former owner of MHL Lift setup I can attest that their fuselage engineers knew nothing about not machining through glass fiber (you gotta lay glass fiber around obstructions). Guess where it cracked?
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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby mmac » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:55 pm

I haven't ridden the new Lift Surf foils but I ride their 170 Classic foil and find it to be a great kitesurf foil. Their newer Surf foils are much thicker and reportedly have more lift than the Classic foils. Therefore, for kitesurfing, you would want to go down in size on the Lift Surf foils (probably 150 Surf). The 200 Surf would likely have way too much lift for kitesurfing since it was designed for prone surfing.

Also, anyone still making negative comments about Lift's mast/strut's obviously hasn't seen or ridden their current masts. Their current masts are beautiful carbon fiber, perfectly stiff, light, durable and seem to be of much higher quality than their older black fiberglass masts. Lift's current foil product range is awesome for surf and free ride conditions. I have no affiliation, just a very satisfied customer who can't imagine anything better.
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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby a99 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:23 pm

I see company are from Puerto Rico, in Europe their foils are very very rare.

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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby jumptheshark » Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:52 am

Greg Drexler from Board Riding Maui is one of the more inspiring foilers out there. He rides the Lift 200 with one of the smaller stabs.

I second the sentiment that Lift are underrated and the quality of their current construction excellent. They've been making carbon foils for over a decade now and have it figured out. I'm really happy with the classic 170. I ride strapless, but jump it all the time and have had no issues. Pulled it out for a Covid boredom detailed inspection of every nook and transition just yesterday and it looks like new.
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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby slowboat » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:18 am

The water in mast issues are old news and not a current concern. Their wings ride well and are EXTREMELY durable. Very nice, light system with lots of options. Their masts ride fine but have some flex, as do most carbon masts.
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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby foursquare » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:09 pm

I'm in the same boat. Looking at getting either the Moses 91/633 or the Lift 36" + 150 or 170. Also curious about the liquid force glider, as it comes standard with a 1 bolt QR, which could be great for simplifying and speeding up setup.

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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby foursquare » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:49 pm

Another foil brand that I'm looking at is MFC/Hydrofoil Company, but it has a pretty confusing product lineup given it's fairly non-descriptive product names and modular approach.

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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby drsurf » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:08 pm

If you're looking for an all round surf foil it's hard to go past the Moses 633 front wing. Apart from being an excellent wing, there are a whole range of Moses stabilisers you can use with it to give different performance characteristics. There are also a good range of masts available of different lengths and stiffnesses.

If you want to go bigger or smaller with the front wing there a large range of choices which fit on the surf fuselage.

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Re: Lift surf 200 vs moses 633

Postby mar menor » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:14 pm

I have a Moses T38/onda 633
but my next foil will be ketos or Slingshot

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