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Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby matanshapira » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 am

Hi,

I want to learn 180 upwind transition (to toe side) now after I mastered the 360 upwind transition with kiteloop.

Any tips on how to convert my 360 to 180?
What are the differences?
What should I start with? Kiteloop? Downloop? Down stroke?

I didn't find a good instructional 180 video except for one that does it with kiteloop, heading downwind and only then to toeside, this I can already do but that's more of a 360 followed by transition to toeside.

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 am

Just do it. Once I cracked the 360, the tack to toeside came easy enough. Medium powered, flattish water...

Biggest thing is “standing up” in what would be the middle of a 360 — instead of continuing to drive the board around back to the original election, drive it just past upwind then let your body’s momentum carry your back on top of the board... and done the kite as you do so.

Well that’s what it feels like to me :D
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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby matanshapira » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:56 am

Kamikuza wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 am
Just do it. Once I cracked the 360, the tack to toeside came easy enough. Medium powered, flattish water...

Biggest thing is “standing up” in what would be the middle of a 360 — instead of continuing to drive the board around back to the original election, drive it just past upwind then let your body’s momentum carry your back on top of the board... and done the kite as you do so.

Well that’s what it feels like to me :D
So what do you suggest starting with? Downloop? Kiteloop? (guess not, wrong direction) or just a down stroke?

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby Huib » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 am

Think this video explane it very well

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby matanshapira » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 am

Huib wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 am
Think this video explane it very well
They do kind of 270 degrees as they head downwind with a kiteloop and then continue to the other direction.

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby windmaker » Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:34 pm

matanshapira wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 am
Hi,

I want to learn 180 upwind transition (to toe side) now after I mastered the 360 upwind transition with kiteloop.

Any tips on how to convert my 360 to 180?
What are the differences?
What should I start with? Kiteloop? Downloop? Down stroke?

I didn't find a good instructional 180 video except for one that does it with kiteloop, heading downwind and only then to toeside, this I can already do but that's more of a 360 followed by transition to toeside.
The upwind 360 with kiteloop is the ideal transition to learn before mastering the 180 upwind to toe side. Getting into the 180, speed should be the same as for a 360, doesn't have to be super fast but with good power in the kite. The main differences are that as you start carving you have to stay more centered over your board than for a 360 and most important re-direct your kite aggressively just before you get into the toe side tack.

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby Kamikuza » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:22 pm

matanshapira wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:56 am
Kamikuza wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 am
Just do it. Once I cracked the 360, the tack to toeside came easy enough. Medium powered, flattish water...

Biggest thing is “standing up” in what would be the middle of a 360 — instead of continuing to drive the board around back to the original election, drive it just past upwind then let your body’s momentum carry your back on top of the board... and done the kite as you do so.

Well that’s what it feels like to me :D
So what do you suggest starting with? Downloop? Kiteloop? (guess not, wrong direction) or just a down stroke?
If i do it with a loop, I end up going downwind a lot more. Unless the wind is really light...

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby matanshapira » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:52 pm

Normal or down loop?
Normal (up) loop is more of a 270

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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby tkaraszewski » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:57 pm

It's easier to do with a downloop, then once you've figured that out, do it without, but you'll feel underpowered coming out of the turn and and have a tendency to fall off foil, but practice and you'll get it.
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Re: Learning 180 after mastering 360

Postby Kamikuza » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:32 pm

matanshapira wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:52 pm
Normal or down loop?
Normal (up) loop is more of a 270
Er, same as a 360 -- I pull the front hand so "up" loop?

The timing of the stroke is the thing, and if it's light wind I need to be quick on getting onto the topside tack to keep tension in the lines.
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