The Peak 4 is a revolution for foiling. If the OP is using 7m + 9m rebels on hf, then a change to a peak 5m would be a total game changer. The peak4 is cheap, has no cells or bladder to burst, much faster to launch and pack up than anything else, gentle power during loops, turns fast, drifts like crazy as you head downwind, doesn't front stall, handles gusty wind like nothing else, and responds like an inflatable should.Foil wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:14 amof course if your into the very good single skin flysurfer peak foil kites then yes, set up pack down is silly quick and easy, you have to try one to believe just how easy and quick these kites are to set up and pack away, I flew TomToms 4mtr peak kite a few weeks back at Flag beach, they maybe a real game changer for some strapless foil board users for many reasons, great kites, (for some)
Exactlyjatem wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:15 amThe Peak 4 is a revolution for foiling. If the OP is using 7m + 9m rebels on hf, then a change to a peak 5m would be a total game changer. The peak4 is cheap, has no cells or bladder to burst, much faster to launch and pack up than anything else, gentle power during loops, turns fast, drifts like crazy as you head downwind, doesn't front stall, handles gusty wind like nothing else, and responds like an inflatable should.Foil wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:14 amof course if your into the very good single skin flysurfer peak foil kites then yes, set up pack down is silly quick and easy, you have to try one to believe just how easy and quick these kites are to set up and pack away, I flew TomToms 4mtr peak kite a few weeks back at Flag beach, they maybe a real game changer for some strapless foil board users for many reasons, great kites, (for some)
A soul is a powerful boosting upwind machine, and most ppl will find a soul very technical to fly on the hf. You'll be planning transitions so that you can follow the soul, and keep the lines tensioned.
The peak is completely different, super easy to fly, very liberating, you can almost ignore the kite and focus on riding the hf.
Alvaro wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:17 pmThank you very much everyone for the well intentioned and very useful comments.
- Regarding the cold water, after 20 years living in Miami I just don’t feel like kiting in cold water, I am not brave enough. So that is not an issue.
- I think it’s a good idea not to get rid of my Rebels yet, and have them coexist with my new foil kite.
- It seems that a Soul 8m could replace wind-range wise my 7 and 9m Rebels.
- It seems that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to totally dominating a foil kite and it requires hours in the water with them.
- My 2018 (I think they are 2018) Rebels do fall from the sky although they relaunch easily unless the 5th line (I really dislike the 5th line) gets in the way.
- A foil kite doesn’t fall from the sky that easily, and today’s foils relaunch well.
- I am not looking to ride in <12/13 knots, I am not into super light wind.
- I am talking specifically for Foiling (no Twin Tips or Surf Boards)
So, looks like a 8M Soul could be it? Again, thank you everyone for the help.
Foil wrote: its not true that set up /pack down times are faster for foil kites, if anything it is much slower on pack down, unless we are looking at tiny 5mtr foil kites, in fact if you time a 12mtr foil from the moment it is landed full of trapped air, it can take a good 5mins or more as the air inside takes a good while to get rid of
Foil wrote: I add that I am not a fan of leaving the bar attached and roll up in the kite method, as it prevents appropriate bar care and can cause tangles in the set up stage.
This is a problem for foil kites, but not for single skins like peak 4 etc as they are immune to crashing. While I haven't had this occur to foils in 10m or over it does happen to smaller ones though not in lighter wind. It would be great if it was solved and a few solutions have been tried, the best is some sort of valve in the TE that opens.downunder wrote: Let me know when the internal panels blow and how much will cost to repair
Well if from kite rolled and lines wrap to kite flying in 30-60seconds and then from kite flying to landed, rolled and bar wrapped in 1 to 2 mins is not fast then I would like to see a tube setup and packed quicker than that.downunder wrote: Or that a fast rigging/packup is a myth
Do you mean a propeller loop? No they don't. Heliloops are for landing jumps.downunder wrote:Does a heli-loop produces a pull?
Packing a foil kite certainly can. How are you doing it? Are you wrapping the bridles onto the bar? Opening the deflate first for big kites?downunder wrote: About the rigging up the Soul, I actually find it frustrating when packing up, it takes way more time to pack up than with LEI.
My 6m does just fine and in much less wind than that. But then a loop is not the way to get the most power from a kite.downunder wrote: In 12kn 8m cannot be looped fast enough to pull on the strapless board.
Ok I think you mean a propeller loop. Yes you can do that with foil kites and is another good reason to not use loops to get the most power from a kite. Foils particularly with light bar pressure can be easy to over sheet and kill the power. There is some simple modifications to increase the bar pressure if you would like, they will also drastically increase the turning speed and response too.downunder wrote: In 12kn an 10 or 12m foil CAN be looped, but more often will heli-loop with no power.
Your kite may not have enough depower. Foil kites can benefit and particularly for hydrofoils to have increased depower.downunder wrote: When doing that, it will drop back in the wind window resulting in slack lines and taking forever to move to zenith.
Yes it sounds like you have a depower problem. This is common to flysurfers.downunder wrote: Or, we can sometimes move it to the edge of the window, which again takes forever to climb back.
Hmm I am not really aware of this. I must say I have some issues timing and positioning the hydrofoil in the shallows say 0.5-1m in between waves. I always start with the kite high, best to have gravity on your side. While man made laws can be broken, physics have proven much harderdownunder wrote: All this takes a huge time when fighting a HF as well. And a HF will not wait for us.
Not really. I mean you state the problem with propeller loops before and they are the fastest loops. A loop is a turn and a turn is one side of a kite going slower than the other which is to say when a kite is turning it is not going as fast as it can. If a kite is not going as fast as it can it is not producing the most power or pull it can. So in short a turning kite is producing less than ideal pull.downunder wrote: The faster we can loop it, the more nimble the kite is through the wind window, the easier is to water start and keep it in the air luls.
I cannot really see how. If your light doubleskin was made from very thin fragile cloth, then it would be prone to damage (normal use) and internal damage / popping ribs (if crashed). The lack of worrying about internal damage is one of the best features of the peak.
Hi kiteykitekite. Have you ever tried a Peak4? I would have thought as someone who comments on foil kites you would have familiarised yourself with the Peak4.
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