Foil wrote:
its not true that set up /pack down times are faster for foil kites, if anything it is much slower on pack down, unless we are looking at tiny 5mtr foil kites, in fact if you time a 12mtr foil from the moment it is landed full of trapped air, it can take a good 5mins or more as the air inside takes a good while to get rid of
Foil wrote:
I add that I am not a fan of leaving the bar attached and roll up in the kite method, as it prevents appropriate bar care and can cause tangles in the set up stage.
You can roll the air out you know right?
You can wash your bar if you leave it connected too you know right?
and
Leaving the lines attached reduces the amount of tangles not increases.
We must live in alternate universes because I can barely find a thing to agree with you on. I would say yes foil kites can take longer to pack down, but at most this is a few seconds more spent handling bridles. But if you use the superior self landing ability and can land in an "ideal" spot for a foil kite which is in a wind shadow on grass, then no they pack down much much faster.
I must say after 1000's of launches and landings the time saved is massive. In fact just having to pump a kite is such a pain in comparison, that alone is enough to not enjoy kiting for me.
Your concerns about stuck pulleys are in reality not even worth checking if you rinse your bar. Maybe if you have Orbit blocks it is? But for the better pulleys it is not.
downunder wrote:
Let me know when the internal panels blow and how much will cost to repair
This is a problem for foil kites, but not for single skins like
peak 4 etc as they are immune to crashing. While I haven't had this occur to foils in 10m or over it does happen to smaller ones though not in lighter wind. It would be great if it was solved and a few solutions have been tried, the best is some sort of valve in the TE that opens.
downunder wrote:
Or that a fast rigging/packup is a myth
Well if from kite rolled and lines wrap to kite flying in 30-60seconds and then from kite flying to landed, rolled and bar wrapped in 1 to 2 mins is not fast then I would like to see a tube setup and packed quicker than that.
downunder wrote:Does a heli-loop produces a pull?
Do you mean a propeller loop? No they don't. Heliloops are for landing jumps.
downunder wrote:
About the rigging up the Soul, I actually find it frustrating when packing up, it takes way more time to pack up than with LEI.
Packing a foil kite certainly can. How are you doing it? Are you wrapping the bridles onto the bar? Opening the deflate first for big kites?
downunder wrote:
In 12kn 8m cannot be looped fast enough to pull on the strapless board.
My 6m does just fine and in much less wind than that. But then a loop is not the way to get the most power from a kite.
downunder wrote:
In 12kn an 10 or 12m foil CAN be looped, but more often will heli-loop with no power.
Ok I think you mean a propeller loop. Yes you can do that with foil kites and is another good reason to not use loops to get the most power from a kite. Foils particularly with light bar pressure can be easy to over sheet and kill the power. There is some simple modifications to increase the bar pressure if you would like, they will also drastically increase the turning speed and response too.
downunder wrote:
When doing that, it will drop back in the wind window resulting in slack lines and taking forever to move to zenith.
Your kite may not have enough depower. Foil kites can benefit and particularly for hydrofoils to have increased depower.
downunder wrote:
Or, we can sometimes move it to the edge of the window, which again takes forever to climb back.
Yes it sounds like you have a depower problem. This is common to flysurfers.
downunder wrote:
All this takes a huge time when fighting a HF as well. And a HF will not wait for us.
Hmm I am not really aware of this. I must say I have some issues timing and positioning the hydrofoil in the shallows say 0.5-1m in between waves. I always start with the kite high, best to have gravity on your side. While man made laws can be broken, physics have proven much harder
downunder wrote:
The faster we can loop it, the more nimble the kite is through the wind window, the easier is to water start and keep it in the air luls.
Not really. I mean you state the problem with propeller loops before and they are the fastest loops. A loop is a turn and a turn is one side of a kite going slower than the other which is to say when a kite is turning it is not going as fast as it can. If a kite is not going as fast as it can it is not producing the most power or pull it can. So in short a turning kite is producing less than ideal pull.
You will find weight as ratio to lift is the critical factor to a kite staying in the air. If weight is less than lift kite flies. If weight is greater than lift then kite falls. If you would like me to discuss this more I can.
Lastly I will say foil kites develop more pull for their size than tubes for the same reason they jump better and win races. They are more efficient. If you would like me to explain more on this just ask.