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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby tomtom » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:40 am

I hear deep wisdom here!

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby revhed » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:28 am

Interesting to hear that heavy boards and STRUTS at 4:27 may help a lot!
IMHO these are super sleek, flat winged, therefore fast and very sensitive to pilot so added weight inertia "slows" rider input.
Also note STRUT is positioned rear of T E of front wing adding some yaw stability while still using flat wings, for sure an accomplished big wave surfer is needed for this to work.
See how the arms are used for balance, these guys brains are functioning at high levels!
I venture to say that most well seasoned kite board hydrofoil racers would have a hard time enjoying these conditions, the kite via harness provides tons a stability!
Only wish that the crashes were also shown, there had to be some?
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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby stevez » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:33 pm

Nice move at 7:50-7:54 :thumb:

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby slowboat » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:58 am

Help me with a thought experiment. What would happen if you towed these guys onto the same waves but riding much bigger and slower surf foils? What I see on the video is that they are mostly traveling at about the same speed as the wave. They sometimes traverse the face so as to not outrun the wave and sometimes they go straight down to get away from a closing section. So, what would happen with a slow surf foil? Would they foil slowly and the waves would just pass them?

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby jumptheshark » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:33 pm

They need fast foils to keep up.

Those big swell move fast.

It's the reason the tow in guys have to stay much closer to the break and only tow in when the waves break and get really critical. The swell are not only moving too fast to catch, but they are moving too fast to stay on until they are super steep. A fast foil lets them ride for ages on Mahooosive unbroken swell.

They are going sooooo fast that they need heavy gear just to keep it all stable. No hard cutback turns on those monsters!

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby TomW » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:38 pm

slowboat wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:58 am
Help me with a thought experiment. What would happen if you towed these guys onto the same waves but riding much bigger and slower surf foils? What I see on the video is that they are mostly traveling at about the same speed as the wave. They sometimes traverse the face so as to not outrun the wave and sometimes they go straight down to get away from a closing section. So, what would happen with a slow surf foil? Would they foil slowly and the waves would just pass them?
They would get overtaken and munched by the wave.

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby scottnorby » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:45 pm

Agreed they need fast foils
We chase frieghter ships and cruise ship wakes

Some are 4 foot high

But the speed is the issue. The wakes travel at 18
mph plus. Sometimes the wake off these ships even gets as high at 22 mph

Foils will adapt
But —for sure —having soft shelled boards helps alot as they bang around in our boat or ski as we race toward these ships

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:12 pm

So you use race wings for this Scott?

Or simply smaller faster wave wings?

8) Peter

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Re: foiling is surfing

Postby scottnorby » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 am

Yes, we need to use smaller foils Peter.
Toward the end of fall we were figuring it all out.
Guys are kiting now and wingfoiling in winter winds
But yes, this summer chasing the faster ships we will need smaller wings.
Have ben using big wings and the wakes are outrunning us
It's definitely legit
And there is foilable ship traffic in some amazing places
Videos to come

PS-- spell correct did not recognize FOILABLE


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