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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby grigorib » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:19 pm

max wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:09 am
[.... I grabbed a comparison of the 420 vs the 425 from the Moses page.
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Can someone post a pic of 421 side by side with 420 or 425 please?
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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby a99 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 am

For those who have Onda and thinking about much more speed (and to buy race wings): think twice, i have both setups, race wings needs Much much more wind or much bigger kite, plus feeling and startup and drop/fall speed is very different from onda. What you dont like first on race wings its fast drop if you just loose a little bit needed min speed and as speed itself is much bigger fall to water (lowend speed) will be not fun. In general learning with race wings are as quite from zero again. Onda i think is best of best wing, most universal in all terms. And before you dont have good practice with race wings you will not get very big speed difference comparing with onda on max speed.
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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby Foil » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:32 am

a99 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 am
For those who have Onda and thinking anout much more speed (and to buy race wings): think twice, i have both setups, race wings needs Much much more wind or much bigger kite, plus feeling and startup and drop speed is very different from onda. What you dont like first on race wings its fast drop if you just loose a little bit needed min speed and as speed itself is much bigger drop to water (lowend speed) will be not fun. In general learning with race wings are as quite from zero again. Onda i think is best of best wing, most universal in all terms. And before you dont have good practice with race wings you will not get very big speed difference comparing with onda on max speed.
I agree,I have had the exact same experience with race wings, far to focused on speed,
and you need large open areas to blast around on, which is not a great feeling being way out to sea while the others are ripping around in the waves near the shore line in relative saftey, race wings are race orientated, quite rubbish at most of the things you take for granted on the 633, and the speed you can get from the 633 is fast enough for the majority, even too fast for many others.
unless of course you sail somewhere like lake Como in Italy, smooth water with glossy flat stretches for miles, and lots of windsurfers and Tips to chase, and racing fast dinghies and catamarans, then the race wings are fantastic fun, but how many have them conditions, not that many :thumb:
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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby a99 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:21 pm

I just thnkk that moses must be honest for lot of onda/ surffuselage users and release one really race oriented wing for surfuselage. It was kind of 720 wing still its not very fast and not big difference in speed from Onda or comparing with real race wings.

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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby TomW » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:05 pm

I was riding 633 for a few years after learning on the 550 and 590. I found that if I pushed 633 , especially up wind, it would get too much lift and hard to control. I wanted to try a slightly faster wing and was curious, the Gong Pro M looked like what I was after. I think Moses makes a similar wing , the 679.
The Gong Pro M is faster, 10% ? , and can be pushed much more, but has nearly identical low-end speed. Same or better agility, keeps speed in turns better. I sold my 633 setup.
I'd actually like something 10% faster still, and would accept a less low-end, but it's splitting hairs. I was looking at the 695 or 718.
Also interested in the new slingshot Phantasm series. Those I might be able to test before buying..Moses I have to buy before testing.
Anyone do back to back comparison of the 633 and 718?

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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby Sfollis » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:48 am

a99 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:21 pm
I just thnkk that moses must be honest for lot of onda/ surffuselage users and release one really race oriented wing for surfuselage. It was kind of 720 wing still its not very fast and not big difference in speed from Onda or comparing with real race wings.
How fast are you looking for? What speeds are you regularly hitting on the 633 and 720?

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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby Javierozores » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:45 pm

I'm reaching 21 knots with board T22 wearing front straps and 633 Front wing and S483 stabilizer.
When I push the board over 20 knots the front wing generated so much lift that I find difficulty in maintaining the foil in the water, .... Also,... The foil becomes very unstable at that speed.
I'm thinking about changing stabilizer 483 for S330, but no one can give me any experience on this option.
I'm looking forward to foiling faster with W633.

My last foil was Gong M-pro and although it was more stable at high speed, 633 is more agile and nervous. In terms of speed 633 is a bit more faster but less stable, both of them turns in very tight radius and have almost the same low end speed

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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby grandeand » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm

guys ....
over 20 knots with 633 you have a lot of push on the front foot ...
also to go fast and above all have excellent control, it takes a wider stance of feet ...
why not take a photo of yours boards, comparing your strap position to the seat post.
rider height is very important for the position of the straps.
I am 186 cm wlto, and surely I would need to move the steps towards the stern by at least 10 cm, if I wanted to push even harder.

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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby grandeand » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:38 pm

This is my board,.
Rider 186 cm.
Setup for 590 & 683.
For 683 and surely I would need to move the steps towards the stern by at least 10 cm, if I wanted to push even harder.
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Re: Moses W 633 speed

Postby Frankieboy » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:40 pm

Javierozores wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:45 pm
I'm reaching 21 knots with board T22 wearing front straps and 633 Front wing and S483 stabilizer.
When I push the board over 20 knots the front wing generated so much lift that I find difficulty in maintaining the foil in the water, .... Also,... The foil becomes very unstable at that speed.
I'm thinking about changing stabilizer 483 for S330, but no one can give me any experience on this option.
I'm looking forward to foiling faster with W633.

My last foil was Gong M-pro and although it was more stable at high speed, 633 is more agile and nervous. In terms of speed 633 is a bit more faster but less stable, both of them turns in very tight radius and have almost the same low end speed
I recently bought 633 + 450 as I wanted one stab for both 633 and 1100 (wing).
I had too much lift with the 450 and no speed (difficult to control from 17 or 18 knots...)
I had the opportunity to try a 330 (and did buy one) and it gives more speed, less lift but it is also much less stable then the 450
The 330 was also advised to me by Moses brand manager
I would like to give the 425 a go as it is thinner (more speed) and between 330 and 450 (or 483) in terme of surface.
I am searching for the right stab to use the 633 with a pocket board (<100cm) in hte waves...


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