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Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby joekitetime » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:03 pm

I've been meaning to do this review for a long, long time and finally had a chance to ride the different stabilizers yesterday. I was pretty stoked at the results!

With the popularity of the 633, many are very familiar with and love the wing (not all). As many of you have done, I started with the 483 stabilizer until another mentioned to me that going with the 450 stabilizer reduces front foot pressure and makes the 633 more manageable, and they were right! So for the last approximate year I've ridden with and sworn by that 450 stabilizer. But Tucker at Mackite mentioned to me he rides with the 325 and 330 which got me thinking I should try. Well, yesterday that day of bravery finally came.

I rode on my Moses T22 board. Winds started light, averaging around 10mph and I pumped up my Naish Trip 8m. I slapped on the 325 thinking already that it was a mistake being my assumption that it would not provide enough lift in very light wind. Boy was I wrong! The strapless water start was easy but immediately I had to change my feet's position. My back foot was on the extreme back edge of the board and my front foot had to move back about 6" from normal to around the middle of the board. Very odd! And lots of back foot pressure. But man - that setup was loose! Real loose! I eventually settled into my surf riding style s-turn/carving the board on swell. My feet were a little too close together but the board started feeling very lively and comfortable. One new thing I was able to do was twist back and forth (gingerly weighting my front foot as opposed to heavily), but zig zagging on my back leg which was like pumping the foil. To my utter amazement, this zig zag twisting generated lift on the foil. I was riding at a snail's pace, nearly coming to a complete stop, and that thing would not drop off foil. Literally, I could stop, keep a zigging and a zagging, and it just kept foiling. Amazing! The setup was absolutely a blast! I also tried some speed runs. The setup didn't feel locked in, but manageable, but also my feet were are bit too close together.

Next I slapped on the 330. Joy to the world! Unbelievable! That stabilizer was magic! It felt like the kid brother of the 450 but with an attitude. The 330 is now my stabilizer of choice after riding the 450 for a year. For one, it is totally locked in at speed. For two, like the 325, it won't fall off foil at literally no speed. For three, because of it's small size there is less drag. I really really liked the 330 - it is just more playful and carvy than the 450, but less drag and feels faster.

A couple of other significant revelations are worth noting. The position of the mast is that of the 590, all the way forward, for both stabilizers. For those who have run out of tail on their boards because they cannot get the mast back far enough, this is a great solution (going with say the 330). For those who complain of too much front foot pressure - for sure this is the solution. For those who want to increase their top speed on the 633, I'd say the 330 is the ticket.

Finally, the 330 is a solid choice for a stab for the 633. The 325 would be a "twin fin as opposed to thruster" (for those who understand surfing terms). The 325 is loose at fun, and actually seems to ride similar to the stabilizer"less" riders. It is fun and playful and I plan to do it more. But the 330 will be my bread and butter.

Lastly, another foiler whom I chatted with after the session, a racer, said he rides a 325 on his 633 as well which confirmed my suspicions about these stabilizers.

I wish I would have tried them sooner!
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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby a99 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:41 pm

Thanks for great reply. Would be hear also your impressions of 420, 421 or 425 stabilizers with 633.

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby joekitetime » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:24 pm

a99 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:41 pm
Thanks for great reply. Would be hear also your impressions of 420, 421 or 425 stabilizers with 633.
Be happy to. I only own the 420. I may give that a whirl....

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby Whattheflock » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:45 pm

Really appreciate this insight! Still undecided on a 633 or 683/679 for my next setup. I'm 70kg and love my 1504cm2 spaceskate on a 72cm mast.

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby joekitetime » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:42 pm

Whattheflock wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Really appreciate this insight! Still undecided on a 633 or 683/679 for my next setup. I'm 70kg and love my 1504cm2 spaceskate on a 72cm mast.
I've not ridden the 679. It seems to be splitting hairs over the 633 / 683, I find them to be pretty similar. Since I really prefer to slow down as much as I can and ride swell, the 633 typically wins out for me, but they are very, very similar in my opinion.

I'd vote 633 if you prefer to ride slow, and 683 if you prefer to ride faster, but I don't think you can do wrong with either.

That said, I'd stick w/the spaceskate! I liked my slinghshot gear when I first started. My only complaint was that because of the weight it killed my shoulder carrying the rig around. And, for riding strapless I found it to be a real struggle. The 633 floats so handsfree waterstarts are really easy. Less so a tad with the 683 but still really easy. But if you ride w/straps then I'd think it is a non issue.

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby Whattheflock » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:28 pm

joekitetime wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:42 pm
Whattheflock wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Really appreciate this insight! Still undecided on a 633 or 683/679 for my next setup. I'm 70kg and love my 1504cm2 spaceskate on a 72cm mast.
I've not ridden the 679. It seems to be splitting hairs over the 633 / 683, I find them to be pretty similar. Since I really prefer to slow down as much as I can and ride swell, the 633 typically wins out for me, but they are very, very similar in my opinion.

I'd vote 633 if you prefer to ride slow, and 683 if you prefer to ride faster, but I don't think you can do wrong with either.

That said, I'd stick w/the spaceskate! I liked my slinghshot gear when I first started. My only complaint was that because of the weight it killed my shoulder carrying the rig around. And, for riding strapless I found it to be a real struggle. The 633 floats so handsfree waterstarts are really easy. Less so a tad with the 683 but still really easy. But if you ride w/straps then I'd think it is a non issue.
I love the space skate, but yea I want to upgrade mainly for a lighter setup.

I ride strapless with my spaceskate.. Is strapless better suits larger foils?

I do want to get a carbon fast foil and slow foil combo for different wind strength.
I was also thinking I could just keep my spaceskate for lightwind and get something like a 550 with a 101 mast with some straps (boosts!) for when it picks up.

Then pick up a 633/683 with fuselage/stab when I want to move away from the spaceskate.. just dreaming out loud.. :)

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:54 pm

This is i pretty accurate for all foils in general.

The smaller the stab, the more lively, and the further back you stand.

And at some point it might become too twitchy for some.

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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby grigorib » Fri May 01, 2020 1:36 am

Whattheflock wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:28 pm
joekitetime wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:42 pm
Whattheflock wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Really appreciate this insight! Still undecided on a 633 or 683/679 for my next setup. I'm 70kg and love my 1504cm2 spaceskate on a 72cm mast.
I've not ridden the 679. It seems to be splitting hairs over the 633 / 683, I find them to be pretty similar. Since I really prefer to slow down as much as I can and ride swell, the 633 typically wins out for me, but they are very, very similar in my opinion.

I'd vote 633 if you prefer to ride slow, and 683 if you prefer to ride faster, but I don't think you can do wrong with either.

That said, I'd stick w/the spaceskate! I liked my slinghshot gear when I first started. My only complaint was that because of the weight it killed my shoulder carrying the rig around. And, for riding strapless I found it to be a real struggle. The 633 floats so handsfree waterstarts are really easy. Less so a tad with the 683 but still really easy. But if you ride w/straps then I'd think it is a non issue.
I love the space skate, but yea I want to upgrade mainly for a lighter setup.

I ride strapless with my spaceskate.. Is strapless better suits larger foils?

I do want to get a carbon fast foil and slow foil combo for different wind strength.
I was also thinking I could just keep my spaceskate for lightwind and get something like a 550 with a 101 mast with some straps (boosts!) for when it picks up.

Then pick up a 633/683 with fuselage/stab when I want to move away from the spaceskate.. just dreaming out loud.. :)
I think for 70kg weight the 679 tops what you need. The challenge is there’s no faster wing than 679 for surf fuselage, besides smaller 720 which is barely faster than 679 yet boringly roll stable. But 720 and 679 won’t make a pair.

You should get 695 with kite fuselage and race stabilizer and it will be 1 lb. lighter, yet quite lightwind set. And you can get any of 637/645/558/550/590 smaller/thinner wings for when your heart is demanding speed and boosting.

With Stingy’s adapter you can attach it to your hoverglide mast to start with and then get carbon mast whenever you feel for it

But even with same adapter a 679 set will make you never want to ride the spaceskate again. Here for reference the weight of that beauty: Moses 679/710/483 3.8 lbs vs. Slingshot Fkite (H4/fuselage/42cm) 7.1 lbs
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Re: Moses 633 w/330 and w/325 Review

Postby a99 » Fri May 01, 2020 10:16 pm

Finally tried 425 with Onda. First thing to say is that wind was on low limit (8-9-10-11 knots) and was a little to difficult to discover and feel everything with this stablizer. But few things are such in my opinion: seems that needs more back foot pressure for lift, stance back foot little bit back, little bit less up wind angle i would say (but maybe wasnt enough wind to do real upwinds angle just), i think feels more stable in bigger speed (but wasnt enought wind for real speed top), and what felt very super its feeling when carving or on s turns, feels like you are on Real Scate with Real feeling On Ground! Unbelievable adhesion feeling. Sad that don't have 330 or 325 for comparission, and my friends too don't have.
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