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The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu May 14, 2020 11:28 pm

Niiiiiice :thumb:

But to be fair, I can't see what it is you can't do with a kite?

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby nothing2seehere » Fri May 15, 2020 8:39 am

Maybe totally offshore wind and bang onshore waves? :D

I wonder if some type of auto-zenith twin skin would work just as well. I reckon that Bruno L's high pressure kites with their auto zenith on release would be fantastic for foil surfing. Use the kite to get out and then release the bar once you catch the waves.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby joriws » Fri May 15, 2020 8:56 am

No off-shore wind on this video.

a) he could not hold the wing on his beach side if riding on off-shore wind, in off-shore wind the wing would be on his back side him dragging it along. He moves towards shore so his speed and true wind speed would add up to make wing holding harder TE first like on video.
b) later in video kiters also show on-shore wind.

If the "impossible" trick is pumping HF without worrying a kite, try a kite which can really drift. Peter can comment Peak4's drift abilities with hydrofoil on waves better than I can.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby jumptheshark » Fri May 15, 2020 11:08 am

Nice clip, lots of pumping. Seems a trade off. A lot has been made out of the “freedom” of having no harness, but it’s plainly a lot bulkier slower turning gear.

Bruno might come out with an aoutozenith kite someday but I think we’re learning that weight is the key component in the equation and Armin has the best solution so far. 800 gram kites that are there when you want and coast along when you don’t.

When I look at that set up, I’m simply not jealous of the gear at all. Nice location though. Not a bad solution for plenty of people, but I like my kit better. The size of the board alone is a deal breaker. The wing itself is pretty bulky and literally in your face and you have leashes dangling off an arm and leg. I’ll stick with a waist harness because it lets ride an 8 litre board.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby ladomi » Fri May 15, 2020 5:09 pm

You might not be aware but Annelous is a top female kiteboarder sponsored by Cabrinha. She has several recent competition wins so it seems telling to me that she is winging here instead of kiting.

I've kitefoil éd in very similar conditions and I believe the swell is pretty neglible and fairly disorganized which necessitates that she pump to stay on it.

I've never flown a peak but use a very good drifting wave kite (6M Roam) and there is no way could I have foiled on that weak disorganized swell by power/pumping alone for that long. The kite would have been in the water within 10 seconds.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby jumptheshark » Fri May 15, 2020 6:44 pm

My point was:

A. Technically Peter is right.... you should try a peak. Your roam may be awesome, but it is not at all like a peak when it comes to drift.

B. It's a totally different sport. Take away the kite, take away the wing, and forget about power, dexterity, upwind and anything other than simply the board and foil. Nice to get long rides, but at what cost? The sedate character of the ride on gear that size is just too much of a sacrifice. If it were in conditions that you could not kite in, you might have something, but in that clip.... give me the higher performance ride of a kite/foil set up every time.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby Faxie » Fri May 15, 2020 6:49 pm

Don't see why I should do it, if I can't do it with a kite.

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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby juandesooka » Fri May 15, 2020 9:19 pm

I am 20 sessions in, so far have only had 1.5 sessions with legit surf, and it's everything I have dreamed about. Whip in, then luff the wing, and surf foil it independent of wind power, and then at the end of the wave power back up, get outside and do it again and again. Yes, I could have done the same with an 8m and a kite foil, but it wouldn't be the same free feeling.

Keep in my mind my dream comes from hyper-obsessive sup/surf foiling over the past 2 years. I have given up a number of kite sessions, mostly marginal but a few good, in pursuing this new passion. Being honest, I am already half over kiting in favour of the new mistress ... and this wing right now is the lacey lingerie that just makes it even better.

I continue to see wings as either an easy entry into wind sports for non-wind chasers. Or as an add-on to surf/sup foiling for the hardcore. The wing is not a substitute for kiting or windsurfing for most people already into it. And so, ultimately: there is virtually zero point talking with most of you people on here or posting videos about it, seems like trying to convince gay folks how exciting straight porn is (or vice versa hahaha). So with that, I'll crawl back under my rock and go back to chatting with the wing-minded folks in my own private idaho. :thumb:
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Re: The reason to wing. Can't do this with a kite

Postby norcom » Fri May 15, 2020 9:27 pm

juandesooka wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:19 pm
I am 20 sessions in, so far have only had 1.5 sessions with legit surf, and it's everything I have dreamed about. Whip in, then luff the wing, and surf foil it independent of wind power, and then at the end of the wave power back up, get outside and do it again and again. Yes, I could have done the same with an 8m and a kite foil, but it wouldn't be the same free feeling.

Keep in my mind my dream comes from hyper-obsessive sup/surf foiling over the past 2 years. I have given up a number of kite sessions, mostly marginal but a few good, in pursuing this new passion. Being honest, I am already half over kiting in favour of the new mistress ... and this wing right now is the lacey lingerie that just makes it even better.

I continue to see wings as either an easy entry into wind sports for non-wind chasers. Or as an add-on to surf/sup foiling for the hardcore. The wing is not a substitute for kiting or windsurfing for most people already into it. And so, ultimately: there is virtually zero point talking with most of you people on here or posting videos about it, seems like trying to convince gay folks how exciting straight porn is (or vice versa hahaha). So with that, I'll crawl back under my rock and go back to chatting with the wing-minded folks in my own private idaho. :thumb:
I haven't got a wing yet but I completely agree with you. My guess is that people that think they can do this with a kite probably don't use surf foils. The one thing the surf foil made me realize is how much of a hindrance the kite becomes once I'm foiling on a wave. Even with my Peaks4 3/4/5m at some point I have to grab the bar and redirect it to keep drifting; ride, pump, repeat. I wish I could pack the Peak up somehow, ride and then instantly relaunch it. The wing is the closest thing to that right now. The only drawback I see with wings is that they seem to require a lot more wind.


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