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15m Strutless

Postby dkazhdan » Thu May 28, 2020 4:21 pm

Hi all.


I am trying to avoid buying a foil kite so I've been wondering if a 15m strutless gong would get my 200 lbs flying in 8knots? I have a 1100sqm wing.

Does anyone have experience flying a 15m strutless by any chance?

I have seen a few posts in this forum saying that any inflatable bigger than 12m is pretty much useless for foiling, on the other hand, some people seem to be comfortably flying 17m kites.

I would be interested to know if buying a foil kite for the lightish of wind conditions is avoidable at all?

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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby dave1986 » Thu May 28, 2020 4:40 pm

The issue for ultra light-wind hydrofoiling with a tube kite tends not to be not enough power, but keeping the kite flying.

For example in 8 knots a 15m tube kite will probably give enough power, but it will also begin to be unstable and high risk of falling out of the sky. At 6 knots it will be extremely tough to keep it flying. So regardless whether the size is big enough to board-start, you are at high risk of swimming due to the kite falling in the lulls.

In contrast an ultralight foil kite will keep stable in 2 or 3 knots of wind. So you have a much larger buffer margin for error in case of lulls in the wind.

In answer to your question. I think a 15m strutless kite will be enough in 8 knots with good skill. But be careful as you'll have little margin for error.
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby drsurf » Thu May 28, 2020 4:47 pm

A large Flysurfer Peak4 would be cheaper, more effective and fun in the light winds you want to hydrofoil in.

They are simpler than a conventional twin skin foil kite, and quicker to setup and pack down than any other kite. They also feel more like an LEI kite to fly than a conventional foil kite and will keep flying in very light wind.

Try one and you'll see why this thread viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2401224 is so popular :)
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby Windigo1 » Thu May 28, 2020 4:52 pm

I agree with Dave I have a 15m Airush Ultra single strut I started foiling with that when I was 220lbs on a Shinn P 1100cm wing basically it's plenty of power to foil as long as you can keep it in the air. Now i lost a lot of weight and I'm better at foiling so I almost never use it except when I travel because it packs really small and I can use it to foil in a sea breeze under 10 knots and it's also good on a twintip or surf in ligth wind. Now I use the 12m Ultra below 10 knots and it's plenty with my Moses 633 or Gong M Pro! You get overpowered quickly with a 15M. The strutless should work but it may be harder to relaunch since strutless tend to fill with water but I haven't tried that kite so I don't know for sure.
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby dkazhdan » Thu May 28, 2020 5:00 pm

I have a 12m Gong strutless that gets me riding in 9 knots using 30m lines. Once it parks I normally have no problem unless the wind drops. But in 8 knots I can hardly drag myself up on the board and staying upwind is next to impossible. Seeing 12 - 15m foil kites flying comfortably in the same conditions.

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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu May 28, 2020 6:36 pm

Yes, it will get you going in 8 knots with 200 lbs :thumb:

I am 77 kg (170 lbs) and can just ride in 6-7 knots with a strutless 12 m2 on 30 m lines with the Ketos Kruiser wing 1100 cm2 loads of lift and efficiency.

The reason why bigger than 12 is not recommended, is because it does not really help average weights (75 kg) as less peak power, and it turns slower and gets overpowered quickly.

But as you are heavier, and seek as light wind as possible with a LEI, a 15 m2 strutless could be a good choice.

They hang really well, so no problem keeping it in the air, in less wind than you can ride, well, at least with the 12 m2's no issues.

And you need a tad more wind with your weight.

On the other hand, a 12 m2 would probably get you going easily in 9 knots, and maybe just possible with skill in 8 knots and longer lines, but not lower.

So you could choose either size, depending on whether you want a LEI kite for "lighter" wind, or a kite for the lightest wind.

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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby BOEMIX » Thu May 28, 2020 7:04 pm

I have both.

My ultralightwind kite is FS Soul 15m that i use just for ultralight and steady winds and flat water. Actually you can start foiling in 6 knots. By 8-10 knots you are jumping happily with lots of hangtime.

But when the windmeter hits 10 knots, and if the water is rough, I prefer to use O Enduro 14m. It turns and hungs up in the sky pretty well for a 14m, and has more of a catapult feeling when jumping than a more HA kite like the O Edge I had before.

Having said that, I never used a strutless and provably will never do, cause they are bad jumpers. But If I could use 14m enduro in 10 knots, sure you can squeeze 3-4 knots on a 15m strutless for sure.
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby jumptheshark » Thu May 28, 2020 10:00 pm

Have a couple strutless and a few single strut kites. I would say that 15m is bigger than ideal in the strutless platform. They really suit the smaller sizes best. They just get so flexible and wobbly in anything over 9m. They also tend to get overpowered relatively early. You are bigger than me so might have better luck, but in that size... and wind range. Knowing what I know now, I would now opt for either a 10m single strut or foil kite. At your weight up that to a 12m. .
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby br44 » Fri May 29, 2020 1:05 am

dkazhdan wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 5:00 pm
I have a 12m Gong strutless that gets me riding in 9 knots using 30m lines. Once it parks I normally have no problem unless the wind drops. But in 8 knots I can hardly drag myself up on the board and staying upwind is next to impossible. Seeing 12 - 15m foil kites flying comfortably in the same conditions.
I have a Gong Strutless V2 17m that I can foil with in 4-5 knots. (For sale, btw.) Enough power to get going. The main potential challenge during those sessions is not dropping the kite, especially if the wind has long lulls. Anyway, the 17m can give you many more sessions than your 12m, depending on your local winds.
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Re: 15m Strutless

Postby bigtone667 » Fri May 29, 2020 2:05 am

I fly the Cloud 13.4m kite in 8 to 10knots and the older 17m Cloud in 7-8 knots on a Naish 2450 wing (just for laughs). You should have no troubles on a 15m strutless as long as it flies.

The 17m whips the 13.4m in low end performance (it pulls like a truck), but by 10knots I am over-powered.
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