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111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby oregonkiter » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:26 pm

Anyone tried the longest mast on the surf style wings? 99% of my foiling in deep water so 'I am not concerned about hitting bottom.

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby grigorib » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm

oregonkiter wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:26 pm
Anyone tried the longest mast on the surf style wings? 99% of my foiling in deep water so 'I am not concerned about hitting bottom.

Thanks.
I’ve been riding 633/683s with 105cm mast and 679 on both 105 and 111cm masts. Feels great and I’m riding long masts wherever depth is not an issue

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby a99 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:15 pm

I have 111 and onda wing. Really needs much more power of kite, especially to start, not so easy and playfull feeling in general as on 91 mast, Especially in light winds. Another stance for back foot further back and more drag feeling. But for bigger waves and sea 111 is solutions as on 91 usually goes ventilation in some moments. In 111 very rare.

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby joekitetime » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:32 pm

I started riding the 72cm, and although I have all the others I absolutely love that short mast. Water is plenty deep so that is not the reason - the reason is for stiffness and lower center of gravity and leverage over foil allows more aggressive riding for me. I really, really favor that shorter mast!

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby tkaraszewski » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:46 pm

It can't possibly be that different than the 107.

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby PurdyKiter » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:32 pm

a99 wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:15 pm
I have 111 and onda wing. Really needs much more power of kite, especially to start, not so easy and playfull feeling in general as on 91 mast, Especially in light winds. Another stance for back foot further back and more drag feeling. But for bigger waves and sea 111 is solutions as on 91 usually goes ventilation in some moments. In 111 very rare.
I never thought that a longer mast makes troubled waterstarts? Interesting. I sold my 91 and now it's all 101. I only did this because I am tired of breaching crashes.

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Re: 111 Mast on 679/633 type wings?

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:10 pm

I am very sceptical about this too, that longer mast needs much more power, I have never felt any difference whatsoever in waterstart or low end.

Riding with 83 and 91.5 and 100 cm masts, dont notice any difference in being more or less difficult or anything.

Are you sure it isnt just because you assume you need more power, it feels like that and becomes an issue?
Just like we feel we can start a lot earlier in a summer shorty, than a full 3/2 suit, because it feels so much lighter and better, where, if you look at it, the weight difference is almost nothing, compared to your weight.

There might be a fraction more drag theoretically, with a longer submerged mast before up and foiling, but compared to the drag from the board before up and foiling, and the wing/fuselage/stab, I think it is close to zero extra drag.

Meaning, I dont use the short mast anymore, if wind is marginal and a bit sideshore, only in dead onshore where it is the only option.

But the 91.5 cm is a great allrounder for everything though, my choice if I only were to pick one.

8) Peter


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