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Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby Wazza Foil » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:55 am

Moses foil wings for Windwing and SUP foiling.
I have 1100, 873 and 790 all ok but I want more.
Maybe a version of the 790 or about 1800 sq cm HA.
What do others think?

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby gmb13 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:49 pm

Wazza Foil wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:55 am
Moses foil wings for Windwing and SUP foiling.
I have 1100, 873 and 790 all ok but I want more.
Maybe a version of the 790 or about 1800 sq cm HA.
What do others think?
It would be cool. I would love a slightly lower AR 1000. Basically like 1000, just with a bit more chord to bring it up to 1500 or 1600cm2

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby mike dubs » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:24 pm

I have the 1100 and 790, although fairly new still the 1100 gets me going really easily and the 790 only needs a bit more wind and is faster. Be good to see something around 1800 cm2, when I’m better I will get something smaller than 1550cm2 too.
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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby windmaker » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:02 am

mike dubs wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:24 pm
I have the 1100 and 790, although fairly new still the 1100 gets me going really easily and the 790 only needs a bit more wind and is faster. Be good to see something around 1800 cm2, when I’m better I will get something smaller than 1550cm2 too.
Mike
All these Moses numbers are confusing, you have the 1100 and 790 and would like something smaller than 1550 ? Are you guys mixing span and area? For most who don't own Moses only area makes (a little) sense, using Moses numbers means nothing.

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby mike dubs » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:40 pm

They do if u look at the website😉 2100 and 1550

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby Wazza Foil » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm

Agree foil sizes are confusing.
For me to put my $ up without the opportunity to demo I need span, chord, thickness and aspect. For some reason aspect seems different to span and chord.
Then check comments on here and then see how all fits me.

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby tkaraszewski » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:58 pm

Wazza Foil wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
Agree foil sizes are confusing.
For me to put my $ up without the opportunity to demo I need span, chord, thickness and aspect. For some reason aspect seems different to span and chord.
Then check comments on here and then see how all fits me.
Chord is variable over span and affects aspect. A perfectly rectangular wing has the same chord at the tips as in the center, but most wings taper so they have a smaller chord near the tips. The actual formula for aspect ratio takes this into account:

> It is equal to the square of the wingspan divided by the wing area.

So a wing with fat wingtips will have a lower aspect ratio than a wing with narrow wingtips, even if the chord is the same at the centerline.

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby Frankieboy » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:48 pm

Wazza Foil wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:55 am
Moses foil wings for Windwing and SUP foiling.
I have 1100, 873 and 790 all ok but I want more.
Maybe a version of the 790 or about 1800 sq cm HA.
What do others think?
yep, I second that, 1100 is just too big and 790 needs too much wind if your heavy

1800cm2 would be nice

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby max » Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:57 am

Frankieboy wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:48 pm
Wazza Foil wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:55 am
Moses foil wings for Windwing and SUP foiling.
I have 1100, 873 and 790 all ok but I want more.
Maybe a version of the 790 or about 1800 sq cm HA.
What do others think?
yep, I second that, 1100 is just too big and 790 needs too much wind if your heavy

1800cm2 would be nice

I have been thinking about getting the 1100 . . . can you say why you feel it is too big for winging?

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Re: Moses foil wings for Windwing foiling

Postby Dave K » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:58 am

Same here. I love the 1100 for lighter winds with my 5 and 6m Echo’s, but for stronger winds I downsize to my trusty Gong XL pro (1734 sq cm projected). My 790 is carvy and reasonably fast but has a higher stall speed than I’d like for winging. The XL pro just works better! I’m reading that for equivalent surface area a higher AR wing will provide better low end without sacrificing much on the upper end (?)

Anyway since Moses doesn’t have anything at the moment I went and ordered a Gong Veloce XL and XXL. I figure if Patrice did such a job with the Pro foil wings, I’d give the Veloce’s a shot. Not crazy high aspect like some of the Axis wings, but very thin (low volume). It will be interesting to see how well they work for winging. Let’s face it, we’re all beta testers at this stage of winging......


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